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As I do not own both at this time I'm trying to decide between the two as my next HD gun? HK45 has that big .45 round that we all know and have come to depend on and the .40 P30 is smaller with 2 additional rounds. Any downside on one versus the other? I know it is really each to his own but was hoping to hear from those of you that chose one over the other and why.

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I have a HK45 and carry a P30s 9mm. If you could shoot both that would be a plus. But both have similar grip. As far as caliber anything in 9, .40 or .45 will serve your purpose well. I just put my carry gun on my night stand each night. Same would go if i carried one of my .45's. Most end up buying both anyway in your situation, best of luck...
 

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I'd say it depends on what rounds you currently have.

My HD pistol (primary) is my HK P30 / 9MM, with the HK45C being backup. I don't own anything that fires 40.

I looked at the HK45, but the 5 round difference between it and my 9MM P30, and only 2 round advantage over the HK45C (which can take the 10 rounders, but I don't like them) negated it. If it was a 12 rd like the USP45, it would be a different story.

Good center of mass hits with any modern 9/40/357/45 will do the job, so for HD I want more rounds available as at night (mostly likely use of my HD gun, otherwise I'll be using my EDC - HK45C or P2000SK w/reloads available), I'm not likely to be carrying a spare magazine, as I most likely will be in boxer shorts unless there is significant time to done shorts...

YMMV, as always.

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We need more information to make proper suggestions...Do you own any other .40s/45s?...if $$ is an issue you will wanna stick with common calibers to maximize ammo funds--if you reload that goes double for cost effectiveness...

The caliber isn't as critical as the ammo type and shot placement--Close Quarters also means overpenetration is a concern....my advice is look at which model you can get with nightsights and afford to consistently train with and go from there--also a good Surefire or Streamlight is a good idea too


Not to commit sacrilege, but this sounds like a job for the FNP45 - caliber & capacity.
Since that's off-topic and not part of the discussion I believe 'irrelevant' is the term....
 

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This is 100% a caliber question and will turn into a caliber war, I say that because both pistols are the best pistols (polymer) on the market right now... You LITERALLY can not go wrong with either choice...

Ballistic wise, what do you want to acheive? Big and slowER (I say slower because alot of people peg the .45 as being slow... trust me it's fast enough to ruin someones day) or smaller and faster? Is lower mag capacity a problem for you? Is practice ammo a concern? Would you like the ability to change trigger variants? Ask yourself these questions then make your decision.

RHINOWSO is dead on when he says COM hits with 9/40/357/45 will all get the job done (assuming you use quality JHP), so pick a caliber, go buy a HK, take some pics and report back with some HK porn. For me, I LOVE the .45 acp but I will take my USPf 9 with 19 rounds of Corbon DPX anytime over a .45... capacity is king.

"Nine millimeter. I'm not going to shoot you once. I'd rather have more bullets to solve more problems" -Travis Haley when asked 45 or 9mm.
 

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Glock 21 Gen4 ;) fat .45ACP rounds and with 13 rounds in the standard magazine enough capacity.
Loaded in the nightstand... no safety to fumble around with. No DA mode. Consistent trigger pull and "boom".

Most HD situations are as already mentioned close proximity... so it really doesn't matter if you hit bulls-eye long ronge on the range. Just fast follow up shoots in center mass...

Not a huge fan of the .40 S&W. Significantly more $$$ than 9mm for training and a "snappy" recoil. Actually .45 ACP recoils the same or often less (depending on the gun) than .40 S&W and is the bigger, heavier bullet. Price wise .45ACP and .40 are pretty close.
 

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HK45 all the way. I carry one all day every day. The grip is outstanding and its quite possible my all time favorite pistol!!
 

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9mm. Faster follow up shots. Less chance of going through 3 walls and hitting the granny in bed next door if you miss--or even if you hit. But really the best course for home d is a 12 gauge with a pipe full of 00 buck.
 

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Calber doesnt matter but speed hitting your target, accuracy and time in the fight do matter.

For me and every combat pistol instructor ive ever met and been schooled by says 9mm.

But then again, the internet says a .45 will take an arm off with one shot.
 

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Also why in the world would you want a pistol as a HD gun? A shotgun or Something in a 5.56 would be much better. Although i realize it's not as 80's movie Hollywood.
 

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Calber doesnt matter but speed hitting your target, accuracy and time in the fight do matter.

For me and every combat pistol instructor ive ever met and been schooled by says 9mm.

But then again, the internet says a .45 will take an arm off with one shot.
I thought a hit in the hand would spin them around and down onto the ground.
 

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Both pistols and both calibers are fine. The question that would be more interesting is which trigger version are you considering? Have you tried several versions?

Are you new to DA/SA?

good luck.
 

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Calber doesnt matter but speed hitting your target, accuracy and time in the fight do matter.

For me and every combat pistol instructor ive ever met and been schooled by says 9mm.

But then again, the internet says a .45 will take an arm off with one shot.
While I agree with the first sentence, and wolvee123 don't take this the wrong way please.

Caliber choice is on the shooter. I would stick with the round you shoot best. I do feel that if you can go bigger than 9mm, shooting it very accurately under speed/stress, That is what I would go with. I actually mastered 45acp, before I shot 9mm. And I feel that helped me. 9mm, 40, 45 all have their fanboy's. I personally am a 45acp guy. Not because of "stopping power," but I will take the extra grain weight and size. Makes my hits on target larger, and if I am off an inch, or something, I am closer to doing terminal damage. But that is just me.

There are a million ways to do it, but find the pistol/round that fits you best, and train until other people get tired.

For me, the HK45 is the logical choice, for a pistol. If you are stationary, I would go with an 870. But I am not always home, so at times I have my HK45 as my HD gun. But I also agree with wolvee that if you can, get the gauge.
 

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If you are able to, handle both the HK45 and the P30.
I did that and ended up with both.

Both the P30 and HK45 are outstanding.
If you have smaller hands, maybe consider the P30 first since it has the S/M/L interchangeable backstraps and side straps.
The HK45 has interchangeable backstraps - 2 sizes but is in a league of it's own IMO.
 

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Also why in the world would you want a pistol as a HD gun? A shotgun or Something in a 5.56 would be much better. Although i realize it's not as 80's movie Hollywood.
Long Guns in close quaters for HD...sounds like somebody needs to do some more reading someplace other than the internet...

Long guns have their place ( like pretty much anywhere but close quarter HD) but a long gun that requires 2 hands has 2 very big disadvantages--1) an assailant can get control of the weapon from the muzzle with minimal effort especially in narrow corridors and doorways 2) Overpenetration in a major concern since a large cross section of rifle calibers are designed for long straight flightpaths--FBI ballistics studies show that pistol calibers with frangible ammo and /or hollowpoints is the best option

Also keep in mind that carrying the same caliber as LEO and the same ammo may be a godsend when a bloodthirsty DA decides to paint your 'evil' HK as a purpose built killing tool you bought hoping to shoot somebody
 

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My wife & myself have matching HK45s, mine has a light & hers has the light/laser combo. For long guns we have the Benelli M1 and Bushmaster M4s with eotechs & surefire leds. the M4s are fed TAP rounds which have less penetration than many handgun rounds & the Benelli has the remington low recoil LE rounds. I've been in law enforcement for...a touch over 18 years now & not that i've been in on that many shootings but the main thing that the department & the DA look at is ... was the shooting justified or not. If it's justified, what you use to defend yourself & your family with is not really an issue... not to my experience. If the shooting isn't justified... what weapon you used will be meaningless when you are convicted. I'm sure that in some areas, you may have a gunhater DA and the weapon choice may be brought up.

Now, to the origional question, I would go with whatever cal you are comfortable with, with modern ammo, theres a great selection of rounds in 9mm, 40 & 45 that will all serve you well in the HD role. I went with the .45 as it's what I already own & carry for a duty weapon.
 

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My wife & myself have matching HK45s, mine has a light & hers has the light/laser combo. For long guns we have the Benelli M1 and Bushmaster M4s with eotechs & surefire leds. the M4s are fed TAP rounds which have less penetration than many handgun rounds & the Benelli has the remington low recoil LE rounds. I've been in law enforcement for...a touch over 18 years now & not that i've been in on that many shootings but the main thing that the department & the DA look at is ... was the shooting justified or not. If it's justified, what you use to defend yourself & your family with is not really an issue... not to my experience. If the shooting isn't justified... what weapon you used will be meaningless when you are convicted. I'm sure that in some areas, you may have a gunhater DA and the weapon choice may be brought up.

Now, to the origional question, I would go with whatever cal you are comfortable with, with modern ammo, theres a great selection of rounds in 9mm, 40 & 45 that will all serve you well in the HD role. I went with the .45 as it's what I already own & carry for a duty weapon.
Just to clarify...I'm in Iowa....no Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground laws here...ie the DA WILL be out for a conviction justified or otherwise...while it varies from state to state admittedly you would NOT be looked at the same way as a private citizen based on training and experience...so my point still stands

And agree 100% that the caliber is not as big an issue as the platform and ammo...well said
 

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1. In the range of calibers cited, caliber choice is irrelevant, but quality of ammo choice is.

2. Practice is more important than a caliber choice.

3. Cost and availability of practice ammo should be a consideration.

4. Repeat item 2, and, oh yeah, train.

5. Repeat steps 2 and 4.
 
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