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Hi guys I'm new to the forum, I'm currently looking for a stripped upper receiver, I've been watching gunbroker and I've contacted IGF as well as a few other people and Atlantic is currently sold out but who know when more will come in (banging head against wall for not buying one as soon as i saw them). I was wondering if you all know of anyone else who would be willing to bend a flat and get it ready to be registered, Im in California and unfortunately a full clone build has to wait collage comes first right now. Ive searched and just wanted to make sure that I havent missed anyone. Any input would be great, thank you all and happy holidays.
 

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Thank you all for the help, I'm currently talking to BPP and hoping hoping my FFL will work with me (hes a little nervous hasn't dealt with or heard of 922r before) or ill be looking in the Sacramento area (any suggestions if in norcal?) As for Atlantic I'm on the list and kicking myself for not buying one, at their price i could have gotten two, (sorry I read to fast I figured out original poster was who i needed to contact)Seainc do you have MM's contact information by chance i checked out the post but was struggling to find who had the receivers. Also would the SW5k receiver be register-able, it says that its not been welded yet? sorry again for the newb questions, im accustom to ar's but have always loved hk firearms. As far as building one myself as interesting as it would be i know that i don't have the skill set to do so, just gotta wait till a later date to build. Again thank you guys I really appreciate your help and input.
 

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Thank you for the link I sent him an email, any input regarding the SW5K reciever? Thank you again for your help i really appreciate it.
 

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Thank you for the welcome, I will definitely let you guys know what happens, Currently trying to talk to BPP, MM, and fingers crossed for atlantic so will see what happens.
 

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Also would the SW5k receiver be register-able, it says that its not been welded yet?
No. These receivers aren't either. You can read the law as it applies January 1, 2017 here:

To summarize:

To register according to a plain English reading of the laws, before January 1st, 2017 you must possess a semiautomatic center fire rifle which "does not have a fixed magazine," and has one of an enumerated set of features including a pistol grip and flash hider. It cannot have a detachable magazine and feature because that would make it an illegal unregistered assault weapon under current law and not legally possessed to be grandfathered under the new law. A "bullet button" makes both magazine definitions work. One can be installed on a paddle release gun when you omit the corresponding magazine release contact piece for easy reversion to original HK ergonomics once you have a Registered Assault Weapon, flee to a free state, or merely vacation elsewhere.

The same magazine restrictions apply to semiautomatic center fire pistols with a different set of features, where the fore-end and threaded barrel are relevant. Pistols must also begin life as single-shot bolt or break-action firearms, where you cannot start with a raw receiver because those can only be DROS'd as long arms and would become illegal short barreled rifles under California law when built as pistols. As of January 1, 2015 temporarily altered semi-automatics are not allowed. DOJ sent a letter to FFLs asserting Franklin Armory's never-fired AR15 pistol with a wooden dowel in the buffer tube was temporarily altered although as the manufacturer they guaranteed it had never operated semi-automatically. DOJ knows what guns you have, and could ask you to surrender them when it changed its mind. People mill 80% AR15s and bend flats to steer clear of these issues. Searching calguns.net for "SSE 2.0" will yield other peoples' opinions.

Without parts like bolt and carrier a gun is not semi-automatic although that's less legally certain on a HK clone receiver than an AR15 lower with bolt action upper halves commercially available. Without barrel a receiver isn't center fire - you could press in a .22 rim fire barrel. Without a stock it's not a rifle - you could build it with a pistol grip or spade grips, although a paranoid person would avoid dropping under 26" total length so it's unambiguously not an illegal short barreled rifle. You may also be short a banned feature.

There's a lot of discussion on calguns.net surrounding SB-880/AB-1135.

The laws say it must be in that configuration between January 1, 2001 and December 31 2016; but do not specify it needs to be that way on Midnight, January 1 2017. In theory parts like bolt carrier group, lower, and butt stock could be in your possession only long enough to mate with the receiver producing a currently legal gun which becomes an Assault Weapon on January 1, 2017.

I feel your pain.

Gunmageddon moved the timing on some of my planned purchases from "someday" to "this year before a potential post-election panic" and shopping has been less than relaxing.

I bought a December, 2000 Special Weapons SW5 HK94A2 clone to guarantee I'd have something, and am considering my options trading up to something nicer with a proper cocking tube and hanger. Atlantic's $1500 Omega complete upper would be nice if it was in stock, BPP's $1300 group buy sans bolt carrier group / rear sight is close (no paddle release, costs more once you add a bolt carrier group and sight), and I wonder if I could get a barrel pressed in and triple tower installed on a receiver with all welding done soon enough.

sorry again for the newb questions, im accustom to ar's but have always loved hk firearms. As far as building one myself as interesting as it would be i know that i don't have the skill set to do so, just gotta wait till a later date to build.
Legally that's not an option after January 1, 2017 without going "featureless" on a rifle with a grip wrap (Solar Tactical makes them for metal lowers and at least some plastic ones) or fixed magazine on a pistol, loading through the ejection port.

Our software jobs and weather are nice in California, but the gun laws stink.
 

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As far as the ar15s go my understanding is that you can still build the same with one modification bbv2 which makes the rifle a breach top to release the magazine, ive heard a lot of back and forth on this it may or may not work time will tell. i went out a purchased many lowers personally so i can build later they will just have to be reg. AW which sucks but at least ill be able to build. I also purchased 80% lowers as well to be able to satisfy later wants.

As for the HK receivers my thought was since that is the part that is registered and is seen as a semi auto rifle and must be shipped to an ffl that you would be able to register it as that just like they do with the ar15 lowers and register it as an aw if purchased before the end of 2016 and then build it later?

I could be 100% wrong that was just what my take has been from reading and talking to other people if anyone can elaborate I would really appreciate it, if an upper receiver can be registered and built later im not in a position to have a complete one built. Thank you all for your help i really appreciate it.

Edit: "you bring up an interesting point regarding the bolt and barrel ect, I be interested to see what others opinion on the situation, seems like it could be a bit of a gray area if you will"
 

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if an upper receiver can be registered and built later im not in a position to have a complete one built.
There are more affordable paths to a HK94 clone. They're more likely to have problems and won't look as nice but may be more practical for you and other California residents facing the upcoming deadlines - 1-1-2017 to be grandfathered, 12-21-2016 to start DROS, 12-1-2016 for some middle men Californicating.

I bought my Special Weapons SW5 HK94A2 clone for $1225 on gunbroker, plus $153 to EBR Works for Californication and shipping to my local FFL. There are a few more listed on the online auction sites.

Functional downsides are potential reliability problems (G3 hammer spring), cast stainless receiver where some are too thick to fit an A3 collapsible stock, cheesy cocking tube without a proper hanger, G3 rear sight, it may need US magazine parts to remain 922(r) compliant, and ARS won't work on them. Mine is in transit from middle-man to local FFL, so it'll be another 12 days before I get to shoot it and see for myself.

It is a California compliant HK94 clone. I did not wait for something which I may not get, like the Atlantic Omegas which sold out instantly. The price tag was not too painful compared to the $2300 Kelly enterprises gets for in-stock Omega HK94A2 clones ($1950 at Atlantic which will Californicate).

There's still some time left to buy something better and resell to someone in the same position I was.

Starting with a receiver with all welding done may be another viable option; although the quote I got was 3-5 hours @ $100 per to install barrel and triple frame walk-in only.

Edit: "you bring up an interesting point regarding the bolt and barrel ect, I be interested to see what others opinion on the situation, seems like it could be a bit of a gray area if you will"
It'll remain a gray area at least until DOJ publishes their regulations. Including the public comment period and changes that's taken until May on previous bans. Obviously that's too late to buy something which will be grandfathered.

Good luck!
 

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Yea got to love the deadlines, having a gun that i can actually shoot right away would be nice, Ill have to keep my eyes open on gun broker, Im talking to beltfed and MM currently so will see, not 100% sure but if the receivers he has have been assembled previously that would be sweet. thanks for the input, sounds like your into ar15s as well with the 80% pistol talk, thats on the list one day.
 

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Hi guys I'm new to the forum, I'm currently looking for a stripped upper receiver....
That's a piece of cake. You need to start looking for a lower receiver because that will be the tough one to find.
 

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I'm on Calguns often and am watching every little development, there was a rumor that DOJ would opine at the end of Oct. Well, that has come and gone. Everyone who says that they know at this point is not correct, Drew has it 100% right when he says DOJ has to inform us on the enforcement guidelines. So many theories and different points of view, just peruse the 2A sub forum on Calguns to see the fireworks. Extremely legal technical arguments included!

I think DOJ is purposefully not announcing the guidelines to prevent a panic buy before the end of the year, or to minimize the sales until then. It's such a poorly conceived and worded law, and it's going to be a real can of worms any way you slice it.
 

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You truly have a point until we are told by the DOJ its all just speculation, With that being said and thinking it over im probably just going to pull the trigger on a receiver (collage student budget with Christmas coming up not helping with buying a sw5) and see what happens if it works in my favor great and ill build it at a later date but if it doesn't i can always sell it out of state or build it featureless :( im currently talking with BPP and they discussed the receiver with my FFL and i am now in the clear with him. Just waiting to hear back from MM and then ill decide from their. Thanks for all your guys input its helped me make a decision and know what could be come out of it.
 

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Also remember that with RAW you can always convert to featureless and sell, but also sell out of state through a special FFL that can handle RAW.

Again, even "featureless" is being debated until DOJ opines.
 

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Very true nothing is set in place until DOJ comes out already and defines featureless etc. If you guys dont mind right now my options are either BPP or MM if MM still has any ATI receivers that have had work done to them, whats your opinion between the two?
 
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