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I've been itching to buy a new gun recently. I didn't know what I wanted...I just knew I wanted one. Last week I bought another AR that I came upon...it's an LMT 16 and I knew the guy and it was a good price...but it sits in the safe and it didn't scratch the itch. I still want a new gun. Then today while surfing around on the web looking for ideas...I saw an HK UMP 45 with a shortened barrel and a folding stock...and I really, REALLY liked it.

I've always loved the concept of the 45 cal sub-gun...the Tommy Gun being the obvious example. Now I'm thinking that it might be really cool to get the tax stamp for an SBR and then have someone cut the barrel down for me. I'm no expert on HK's...but I shoot a lot of 45 ACP, I reload for it, I think it would be a great home defense gun, and if I put a suppressor on it then it will be just that much more fun. What am I missing? (besides my brain).
 

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A little research tells me i might need to look at the USC 45 as the UMP is not for sale to me as a lowly civilian.

Nevertheless...i still like the idea.
 

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You are missing nothing. The .45 sub gun is totally awesome. In addition to the pic which is a rollerlock gun I too have a .45 UMP/USC. Bazooka Bros. has an AR version that might get your goat. I am working on one of those.

 

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Since you already have the AR, Ron Williams makes a .45 direct impingement upper. Mine shoots as smooth as my converted HK94 in 9mm but is using .45 ammo. If you want to go the HK style gun, I'd go with a SW45X long before I'd go with the UMP clone. The UMP is just a blow back gun. The roller locked mechanism is so much smoother, especially in .45. Good luck with your new gun project. YMMV.

Scott
 

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Thanks to all for the feedback. It's very interesting to get so much feedback at the start of a project...so many ideas that I had no way of coming up with on my own...thanks. It looks like I've got my work cut out for me on the research side.
 

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I built up an AR 45 using an old Olympic upper that a bud gave me. Found a cute lower made by Zombie Defense and it all just fell together.



 
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