Do a search here, SBR the gun and then divorce the sear.
Is it possible to send the complete firearm to a SOT to have converted/sbr'ed and the sear sent back quickly? I have a sear that is married to a host (barrel less than 16") and want to send it off for a full conversion. I was thinking it would be easier to just have it sent off (and wait) and have the sear sent back quickly. Is this possible?Do a search here, SBR the gun and then divorce the sear.
No. If the sear is married to the gun, you can't use it with any other gun till the new sear form 4 is approved and returned.Is it possible to send the complete firearm to a SOT to have converted/sbr'ed and the sear sent back quickly? I have a sear that is married to a host (barrel less than 16") and want to send it off for a full conversion. I was thinking it would be easier to just have it sent off (and wait) and have the sear sent back quickly. Is this possible?
Ummm... you mean Form 1 for the SBR... you don't get a new Form 4. You get a letter.No. If the sear is married to the gun, you can't use it with any other gun till the new sear form 4 is approved and returned.
Thanks....sending the paperwork in today to sbr the rifle and will wait to send it out.No. If the sear is married to the gun, you can't use it with any other gun till the new sear form 4 is approved and returned.
...I did the search using your suggestion and found enough reading to last till midnight last night and a couple hours this morning !!!!! But I think I've got it ....The MP 5 I purchased... in 1997 is listed in 4h on form 4 along with the serial number of the receiver (with no mods) and a 8.9 inch barrel ... That makes it a married sear and if I remove the sear then the weapon becomes a SBR....So I am going to form 1 the MP 5 and after the form one gets back engrave the MP 5 and carry a copy of the form 1 with the form 4 when I use the sear in my host guns .....question is now ...if after I have done the above and have the sear in one of the host guns that is a pistol (V53 or V51) can I in stall the collaspible stock from the MP five while using the host gun and transfer the stock back when sear is removed to the MP 5 ??????Or do I need to SBR both the V 53p and the V 51p ?????Do a search here, SBR the gun and then divorce the sear.
Is it possible to send the complete firearm to a SOT to have converted/sbr'ed and the sear sent back quickly? I have a sear that is married to a host (barrel less than 16") and want to send it off for a full conversion. I was thinking it would be easier to just have it sent off (and wait) and have the sear sent back quickly. Is this possible?
My limited understanding is that the answer "retro" has given is incorrect. I received my Fleming sear just as you have, installed in a Vollmer converted 94. The "married" part has to do with the configuration of the Title I firearm that the sear is installed in. It is not a restriction of the sear's registration so much as the Vollmer converted 94 would not be legal by itself. So removal of the sear from a rifle with a barrel less than 16" would make that rifle an unregistered SBR. The HK94 was imported as a rifle. As such, a rifle has to have a 16" barrel. My understanding is you have three options:No. If the sear is married to the gun, you can't use it with any other gun till the new sear form 4 is approved and returned.
The SBR can not be present without the sear in close proximity, and not being used by something else. If it is, it is an SBR and an illegal one at that. Even if an SOT has it in his/her control, it is still an unregistered and illegal SBR. The only way to get around that is to have the SOT make it an SBR and record it as such, then transfer it back to you on a form 4. That's the only way you get quick access to your sear in your example. I fear that you broke the law by having an unregistered SBR for some period of time, whoever was holding on to it.My limited understanding is that the answer "retro" has given is incorrect. I received my Fleming sear just as you have, installed in a Vollmer converted 94. The "married" part has to do with the configuration of the Title I firearm that the sear is installed in. It is not a restriction of the sear's registration so much as the Vollmer converted 94 would not be legal by itself. So removal of the sear from a rifle with a barrel less than 16" would make that rifle an unregistered SBR. The HK94 was imported as a rifle. As such, a rifle has to have a 16" barrel. My understanding is you have three options:
1)File a Form 1 and wait for approval. I did not notify the NFA Branch that my Vollmer converted 94 was no longer married to my Fleming sear after my Form 1 was approved. I do keep a copy of my approved Form 1 with the copy of my sear's Form 4 so it is easy to see that my HK94 is unencumbered. I never received a new Form 4 without the HK94 information on it.
2)Send the complete firearm to a Manufacturer for "repair". He files a Form 2 and your HK94 enters the NFA Registry as a SBR. I would think it would be prudent to wait until the HK94 has actually been entered into the registry before shipping the sear back to you. If the manufacturer is in another state, he can still transfer the SBR directly back to you. A letter, in addition to the standard Form 4 paperwork, explaining that the HK94 is owned by you, so there is no change in ownership, and that the manufacturer simply changed the configuration of the HK94.
3)Add a permanent barrel extension making the HK94's barrel over 16". To be prudent, I'd write a letter to your examiner informing the NFA Branch that the HK94 is in Title I configuration. I'd send that letter registered mail and I'd keep a copy of it with the copy of your sear's Form 4. You could then leave the HK94 as is, or send in a Form 1.
Of course this information is worth exactly what you paid for it. This is just my understanding of how and why a married sear can be divorced from a rifle host with a barrel less than 16". I'm not a lawyer, although I did play one on stage. Good luck with both of your sear divorcing projects.
Scott
No, I meant the sear Form 4. But with what scottinthegrove posted, I'm not as sure about that now. My interpretation of the situation might be a little flawed.Ummm... you mean Form 1 for the SBR... you don't get a new Form 4. You get a letter.
The sear is on the Form 4. You want to file a Form 1 to divorce the sear from the host gun, making the short barreled clone legal as an SBR.No, I meant the sear Form 4. But with what scottinthegrove posted, I'm not as sure about that now. My interpretation of the situation might be a little flawed.
Ok, so back to the original point to this whole thread...The sear is on the Form 4. You want to file a Form 1 to divorce the sear from the host gun, making the short barreled clone legal as an SBR.
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I visited my local CL 3 dealer and in conversation told him what I was planing as described above and he told me that since the two host guns were pistols and that all I needed to do was remove the collapsible stock on the MP 5 when I removed the registered sear(the MP 5 would become a pistol) and install both..stock and sear) on the particular host pistol I planed to use.....I'M CONFUSED again !!!! Please explain why this is OK or not the legal thing to do !!!!!!! Thanks...I did the search using your suggestion and found enough reading to last till midnight last night and a couple hours this morning !!!!! But I think I've got it ....The MP 5 I purchased... in 1997 is listed in 4h on form 4 along with the serial number of the receiver (with no mods) and a 8.9 inch barrel ... That makes it a married sear and if I remove the sear then the weapon becomes a SBR....So I am going to form 1 the MP 5 and after the form one gets back engrave the MP 5 and carry a copy of the form 1 with the form 4 when I use the sear in my host guns .....question is now ...if after I have done the above and have the sear in one of the host guns that is a pistol (V53 or V51) can I in stall the collaspible stock from the MP five while using the host gun and transfer the stock back when sear is removed to the MP 5 ??????Or do I need to SBR both the V 53p and the V 51p ?????