[JoshNC]

Good thread. I have a DLO frame and have inspected a Neal Smith frame that was in a dealer friend's inventory. I think Smith was really insightful in that he took semiauto frames and welded steel into them to allow installation of a factory autosear. To me this seems the most intuitive way to make a conversion device if factory FA frames were not available for conversion.

 

[caf82313]

Good thread. I have a DLO frame and have inspected a Neal Smith frame that was in a dealer friend's inventory. I think Smith was really insightful in that he took semiauto frames and welded steel into them to allow installation of a factory autosear. To me this seems the most intuitive way to make a conversion device if factory FA frames were not available for conversion.

Thanks!!!..........I did not know that about Neal's trigger packs thanks for sharing...........

 

[edman99]

You can add Wilson Arms to the list of registered housings.

I own one.

 

[JoshNC]

Frank also recently had a RDTS 4-position burst ambi registered frame. OP may want to add that one too.

You can add Wilson Arms to the list of registered housings.

I own one.

Neat. How long have you owned it? Out of curiosity, is your frame's front/bottom edge milled to fit over the semiauto shelf. The one in the photo in this thread was recently listed by Frank and it doesn't appear to have been milled to fit over the shelf.

Thanks!!!..........I did not know that about Neil's trigger packs thanks for sharing...........

Look at the front/bottom of the Smith frame. It still has the hole for semiauto elbow spring axle. I was really impressed when I held it and inspected.


The same dealer had a Ceiner registered sera/lower (couldn't tell what was registered because the sear, frame, and steel lower were all engraved by Ceiner with his info and the serial number. We took it all apart out of curiosity to inspect it. I took a bunch of crappy flip phone photos at the time but have no idea what I did with the photos. The serial number on the sear was engraved up the integral trip lever. Prior to inspecting the sear, I wondered why someone didn't just mill off the integral trip in order to make it mechanically similar to the factory friction sear and registered sears made by fleming, qualified, and S&H. Once I saw that the serial number was on the integral trip ever I realized this was not feasible.

The KAC registered lowers appear to use a very similar sear with integral trip lever. Given their close geographic proximity to Ceiner at the time, I wonder if Knight simply used the same sear as Ceiner.

 

[caf82313]

You can add Wilson Arms to the list of registered housings.

I own one.

Ok thanks.......can you post a photo with the serial number blurred if you dont mind?

Frank also recently had a RDTS 4-position burst ambi registered frame. OP may want to add that one too.

It was a registered trigger pack not registered lower housing http://www.gunbroker.com/item/656962236 ............Also the Wilson Trigger pack listed above is milled ever so slightly just enough apparently

The KAC registered lowers appear to use a very similar sear with integral trip lever. Given their close geographic proximity to Ceiner at the time, I wonder if Knight simply used the same sear as Ceiner.

You may be right.......If you look at the La France pack it is very similar also with its proprietary sear..........

 

[JoshNC]

Ok thanks.......can you post a photo with the serial number blurred if you dont mind?



It was a registered trigger pack not registered lower housing http://www.gunbroker.com/item/656962236 ............Also the Wilson Trigger pack listed above is milled ever so slightly just enough apparently



You may be right.......If you look at the La France pack it is very similar also with its proprietary sear..........

Yeah I believe RDTS 4-pos is a registered frame.

The LaFrance sears are very interesting and look quite robust. The LaFrance registered lower is what piqued my interest in finding a registered factory FA frame that accepted all factory FA parts. Shortly after that interest was piqued, Doug Oefinger posted some of his frames for sale on Subguns. Being that I check Subguns and Sturm about 2-3 times a day to see what's being listed (yes, it's a sickness) I saw his ad and immediately jumped on it. This was in '06.

 

[caf82313]

Yeah I believe RDTS 4-pos is a registered frame.

The LaFrance sears are very interesting and look quite robust. The LaFrance registered lower is what piqued my interest in finding a registered factory FA frame that accepted all factory FA parts. Shortly after that interest was piqued, Doug Oefinger posted some of his frames for sale on Subguns. Being that I check Subguns and Sturm about 2-3 times a day to see what's being listed (yes, it's a sickness) I saw his ad and immediately jumped on it. This was in '06.

I thought that in beginning also but that is the misconception on La France Packs they do NOT take all HK German Full Auto Parts and legally that Proprietary Sear is married to the La France Trigger Pack.........Great explanation in photo below.

 

[JoshNC]

I thought that in beginning also but that is the misconception on La France Packs they do NOT take all HK German Full Auto Parts and legally that Proprietary Sear is married to the La France Trigger Pack.........Great explanation in photo below.
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Exactly. I believe I inquired about LaFrance packs either here or on Subguns back in '06. When I learned that they did not use all factory FCG parts, I began searching for one that did. And then, voila....Doug posted his on Subguns literally a month or so later.

 

[Neo-Geo]

Great to finally have a modernized database like this! I hope you stay active and update your OP Trey. About time that someone built upon and outdid this long abandoned HK conversion device FAQ, which has been the only other comprehensive single source that I was aware of.

At first I wanted a DLO frame because it could use factory original internals, but I also wanted ambi + burst, and DLO frames were only manufactured/registered in SEF frames. Then I came across an HTA frame that was already in ambi (another to add to OP FAQ btw). This one was originally listed on subguns on September of 2015. Seller wanted $35k firm. He also claimed to have a Qualified frame, but he never showed proof or pics:

Some HKpro members advised me against the HTA because they had a terrible rep for shoddy quality, that they wouldn't buy an HTA at any price, and so the search continued. Soon after I was offered exactly what I sought: an ambidextrous transferable HK trigger frame that utilized all factory original German HK full-auto internals (that means absolutely no proprietary/married/non-HK sear), registered by a manufacturer with a solid rep

The answer was the transferable La France AMBI frames (another to add to OP FAQ btw to clear up the misconception that La France pack means SEF only with married sear).

Surely the La France ambi variant is super rare, but they do indeed exist in the registry. Another rare variant is the transferable Colt M4 Commando Enhanced with factory 4 position selector built 1998, which is as rare as it gets and that translates to even more doubters, to the point that there's a thread on sturm loaded with bitter naysayers that refuse to believe that this specific machine gun can be a transferable. Multiple sources have told me that there should only be 1 in the registry for this model, so just because you never see certain machine guns for sale doesn't mean they don't exist on the registry.

 

[shooting systems]

What is known about the Alltech/ Martin Lamb pack?

 

[caf82313]

Great to finally have a modernized database like this! I hope you stay active and update your OP Trey. About time that someone built upon and outdid this long abandoned HK conversion device FAQ, which has been the only other comprehensive single source that I was aware of.

At first I wanted a DLO frame because it could use factory original internals, but I also wanted ambi + burst, and DLO frames were only manufactured/registered in SEF frames. Then I came across an HTA frame that was already in ambi (another to add to OP FAQ btw). This one was originally listed on subguns on September of 2015. Seller wanted $35k firm. He also claimed to have a Qualified frame, but he never showed proof or pics:
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Some HKpro members advised me against the HTA because they had a terrible rep for shoddy quality, that they wouldn't buy an HTA at any price, and so the search continued. Soon after I was offered exactly what I sought: an ambidextrous transferable HK trigger frame that utilized all factory original German HK full-auto internals (that means absolutely no proprietary/married/non-HK sear), registered by a manufacturer with a solid rep

The answer was the transferable La France AMBI frames (another to add to OP FAQ btw to clear up the misconception that La France pack means SEF only with married sear).
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Surely the La France ambi variant is super rare, but they do indeed exist in the registry. Another rare variant is the transferable Colt M4 Commando Enhanced with factory 4 position selector built 1998, which is as rare as it gets and that translates to even more doubters, to the point that there's a thread on sturm loaded with bitter naysayers that refuse to believe that this specific machine gun can be a transferable. Multiple sources have told me that there should only be 1 in the registry for this model, so just because you never see certain machine guns for sale doesn't mean they don't exist on the registry.
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Thanks for the HTA photos Shawn...........Were all 3 of the La France Packs AMBI Frames or did you have them converted? Were the proprietary sears used in the conversion? Do you mind providing a picture/copy of one of the form 4's with maybe only one number blurred on the serial number for illustration. That is reason I posted other copies of form 4's sometimes there is confusion on what the serial number on the sear or pack is supposed to be/look like.............Thanks

Congrats on the Colt I remember what that one was listed for..................

 

[JoshNC]

I have some detailed photos of the Knights pack somewhere. Will look on my desktop and see if I can get them to you.

 

[caf82313]

What is known about the Alltech/ Martin Lamb pack?

Only like the 2nd or 3rd one I have seen for sale.......

I have some detailed photos of the Knights pack somewhere. Will look on my desktop and see if I can get them to you.

Thanks!!!!

 

[JoshNC]

Only like the 2nd or 3rd one I have seen for sale.......



Thanks!!!!

Just sent you a PM. I also have photos somewhere of a Wison Arms lower.

 

[AGG]

Most excellent tutorial--- this needs to be in The Reference Library!!!

Tony

 

[AGG]

This may add to the discussion: :wink:

Heckler and Koch Sear FAQ - Class 3 Firearms - AR15 AK47 Gun Forums

Tony

 

[Brad4065]

Trey

Where does this fall, or does it fall into the spectrum?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/664416858

 

[Frank in GA.]

Trey

Where does this fall, or does it fall into the spectrum?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/664416858

Brad,

That's a POSTIE only for Class III Dealers and Manufacturers. It would not fall into the purview of sears that would have been registered for civilians to own and unless you are a Class III MFG. / Dealer you could not own it.

Keep lookin' Brad. Lol

Frank in GA.

 

[JoshNC]

Brad,

That's a POSTIE only for Class III Dealers and Manufacturers. It would not fall into the purview of sears that would have been registered for civilians to own and unless you are a Class III MFG. / Dealer you could not own it.

Keep lookin' Brad. Lol

Frank in GA.

It appears to be an unaltered factory friction sear too.