[kb58]

Yeah I know, odd question, but here's the background.

I sold my brother my .45 HK Elite and he loves it, so much so that he wants the Elite in the 9 mm version, too. However, since we live in CA it's not officially legal, but there is a loophole referred to as the SSE (Single Shot Exemption.) Basically, the FFL here temporarily replaces the barrel with a much longer one, sells you the pistol, then you turn around and ask them to remove it - all perfectly legal.

The catch is that this shop does not have a 9 mm Elite barrel, but does have a P30 barrel in 9 mm. So my question to the HK Experts is this: Is the lug-end on the 9 mm Elite barrel the same as the P30? Length doesn't matter, just whether it'll seat or not.

 

[kb58]

Someone's got to know this, any gunsmiths on here?

 

[Big Bore]

No, the USP Elite barrel is not the same as the P-30 barrel. It may still seat, don't know without trying and I do not own many HK 9mm, just not my caliber, but even if it does seat it would be dangerous to fire it that way. I know your intention is to skirt the law, not fire the pistol, but either way IMO you are playing with fire.
I am a little bit at a loss about what you are trying to accomplish? He has the .45 Elite you sold him. What is he wanting to put the 9mm barrel in? Your .45 Elite? Or is he wanting a longer barrel to put in a P30? So is wanting to buy a P30 but it is not legal in CA? And you are trying to skirt the law by putting a longer barrel in the P30? If that is the case, then buy a longer ported barrel for the P30 ahead of time from EFK. Then take that to the dealer and let him put that in the P30, in that case you could even still shoot it.

 

[Brownie]

No, the USP Elite barrel is not the same as the P-30 barrel. It may still seat, don't know without trying and I do not own many HK 9mm, just not my caliber, but even if it does seat it would be dangerous to fire it that way. I know your intention is to skirt the law, not fire the pistol, but either way IMO you are playing with fire.
I am a little bit at a loss about what you are trying to accomplish? He has the .45 Elite you sold him. What is he wanting to put the 9mm barrel in? Your .45 Elite? Or is he wanting a longer barrel to put in a P30? So is wanting to buy a P30 but it is not legal in CA? And you are trying to skirt the law by putting a longer barrel in the P30? If that is the case, then buy a longer ported barrel for the P30 ahead of time from EFK. Then take that to the dealer and let him put that in the P30, in that case you could even still shoot it.

BB my understanding of what's he's trying to do is this:
Direct Action Solutions has created a business where they sell certain models of pistols that aren't on Ca's list but can be imported once made single shot (easily reversed) and having a barrel of a certain length (which is ridiculously long). Once the firearm is imported into Ca it's legal to convert it back to the original config and return the parts to DAS thereby getting your deposit for the parts back. There are limited models that are offered. The P30 is one and apparently the 9mm Elite is not. The OP is just trying to figure out if he can slap the kit in the 9mm Elite for the purpose of import and then remove it before firing. Since the pistol doesn't get fired functionality is not a concern.

 

[John Connor]

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[leicar7]

There's a reason that place is called "THE LEFT COAST," all caps....

 

[bordercop]

I am a little bit at a loss about what you are trying to accomplish?

I think he wants an Elite in 9mm, but that particular gun isn't on the approved list?

I'll never claim to try understanding California law (thank whatever being you may believe in that I don't live there), but this sounds fishy. I believe the SSE would require the gun to be modified in such a way that it can feed extra rounds from a magazine. It has to be a single shot only weapon (hence the term single shot weapon). So it has to be sold with a single shot magazine, or a block that doesn't allow a normal magazine to fit into the weapon. According to what I can find, for a single shot handgun under the exemption. you must have a minimum 6" barrel and 10.5" total weapon length. I doubt the P30 barrel would satisfy it, as it isn't long enough.

The elite is built on the USP, so a match barrel "might" work, and is 6" long. I would probably see if a Jarvis Custom (link here) match barrel is available in the extended, threaded version to help get the total 10.5 length. Alternatively, he also may specifically have a barrel for the Elite that is extended/threaded. I don't know if a threaded on extension qualifies for length for the SSE, though.

 

[kb58]

Correct as stated above. He has my .45 Elite which will stay as-is. He's considering getting a second HK Elite, but in 9 mm, so the fit-up question was just that, for fit-up and won't ever be fired. As part of the SSE, a plug is installed in place of the mag, so it really is single-shot, with a long barrel, so problem solved. Yes the rules are dumb but whether I move or not doesn't affect this. Thanks for the input, guys.

 

[Wolvee]

lol