[German]

I'm not a native speaker, but I think the wording is kinda off here:

For the first time ever, the H&K M320-A5 available in civilian legal 37mm, as used by the US Army.

In 37 mm as used by the US Army?

Do they, though?

 

[German]

That said:

I wonder where this came from and why it has HK markings on it?

Well, the marvels of cheap, modern laser markings...

...the Eagle over N proof mark isn't in use anymore for a couple of years now.
So either this is old new stock or somebody capable of laser engraving didn't get the memo.

The grip texture doesn't look like HK.

And the serial number range also doesn't look like HK either.


Probably a "civilian" version of one of the contract* M320s the US Army is procuring?

They also did production runs for Ukraine, so why not a 37 mm version as well?

* and in this case an actual "Contract" production by definition.

 

[German]

Both the HK as well as the CAPCO M320 have a differently shaped right side reciever opening.
Both the HK as well as the CAPCO M320 have no visible trigger pins above the trigger.
Both the HK as well as the CAPCO M320 have a different grip design.

So it's likely not a civilian CAPCO production run as well (I would assume that they don't have the capability nor the need to do any further development for a product they have a as-is production contract for).

And if it would be the alledged "new" and recent "A5" iteration by HK (which would pose the question where the A3 and A4 iterations are?), then the Eagle-over-N proofmark would be a current CIP-N proofmark.

 

[German]

Eagle N switched to CIP/N in Oct 2014 so AG (2006) date code weapon would have an Eagle N on it

But there surely was not "A5" variant of the M320 in 2006. And neither in 2014.

 

[German]

They wouldn't sell H&K marked product if it wasn't H&K

Hmhm, we'll see how this one turns out.

but AU has proven they bring in legit H&K time after time, and most of the time they're the only guys accomplishing it.

This thime there are no civilian M320A5 on the German market they can scoop up produced as rifles, magically convert them to pistols to import them before getting slapped on the fingers. "Accomplishment" is relative.

And HK surely isn't interested in selling grenade launchers to civilians as well. So, I'd call it a... challenge... this time...

Even when all the little bits and pieces would actually fit, which they don't.

the AU haters always hate, yet half the time they can't afford the stuff and the other half they buy it but cry anyway

Well, this thread offers enough hints to verify your opinion.

Actually doing it is up to you, nobody can do that for you.

 

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The whole "Kale Kalip" catalogue is a pretty impressive lineup of stolen copied borrowed (purchased?) intellectual property.

I wonder how much is actually licensed (they seem to have a license for the AX50 for example, the AR/HK417 derivate that surfaced a couple of years ago likely isn't).

Kind of a "Who is Waldo" search game for grownups.

 

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Given their track record, HK would NEVER make a civilian compliant grenade launcher.

HK is actually manufacturing several of their grenade launcher models in 37mm due to various reasons - civilian sales is not one of them.

I guarantee they’d give us an SP7 before that ever happens

That's not unlikely.

and we all know how that’s going

Well...

 

[German]

In a hurry right now, but the L104A1 Baton Gun would be one path to start a research.
I've seen newer models in 37 mm as well.

 

[German]

Same here. The only controversy in my recollection

As a non-American I do not have any dealings with AU one way or the other.

But selling short barrelled rifles as unrestricted pistols by misrepresenting them as pistols during the import process although they were fully aware that these have been manufactured as rifles seems a bit controversial to me. That bit them at a later date and now current owner are in limbo about the ATFs handling of this issue. As of now, they only approached dealers. But that doesn't mean that this won't change at any point in time.


You mention something about Colt lowers, somebody mentioned "SD Gate", then the MR223 import, now this misrepresentation of a tukish knockoff launcher as a genuine HK product. So I'd say from an observers standpoint that there isn't "only" a few issues here.

And then some users post such remarks:

all times the forum crybabies said it was not possible

...and in the end it turns out those "forum crybabies" were right.

We'll see who cries when that currently 18,000$ rifle that was originally sold for IIRC 6,000$ and was purchased by them in Germany for around 2,000-2,500€ and then misrepresented during importation is being collected by the bad and ugly gubinment. Surely the fault is then everywhere (HK for not making them as pistols, the German government for making .223 pistols illegal/restricted in Germany, the ATF not catching their misrepresentation early on, those who reported it, HK USA confirming the facts, the ATF for interfering and the ATF in general for existing) but with AU?

 

[German]

AU did not import the original MR223's, HKI did that.

If I might ask: How do you know?

/edit: I rephrase/add, just to be sure: Who do you mean by HKI?

 

[German]

Thanks, understood.

 

[German]

A possibility is that they were actually licensed, right?

A possibility with a probability close to Zero.

and who was all in on it?

Who wouldn't do his due diligence for such a stunt?

As already said above, that's not the first time that the seller is involved in something like this.

 

[German]

Any of you who honestly believe AU would be involved with adding H&K logo to a non-H&K product are delusional.

You mean a third party hacked their website and fraudulently put a HK marked turkish grenade launcher on their website?

Or did they - as industry professionals and established dealers - missed to do their due diligence on a couple-hundred-thousand-dollar deal and got mislead by a dubious third party?

Or did they just probe the market to see how stupid the customers are and got called out and now try to save face.

 

[German]

you can inquire with the guys who took the picture

Why not inquire with the guys who posted those pictures on their website and tried to sell these for 5.000+ Dollars while pretty surely paying a lot less procuring these?

You sound really unhinged

If you say so...

 

[German]

So you say they simply don‘t know what they are doing?

Gotcha.

 

[German]

So let’s assume those 82 left a while ago were the total number (likely there were a bunch more, also likely a round number), that would have been a original total of 491.590$ of fraudulently HK-marked turkish 5.995$ launchers that were already marked down to a total 410.000$ of still-HK-marked 5.000$ still-turkish launchers, just to be called out on this after denying the fact in writing, only to sell 344.400$ of magically not-anymore-HK-marked-but-still-turkish 4.200$ launchers that somehow still are not called what they are but what they would/could/should have been called would they actually be HK-marked...

...stay tuned for the next chapter of this... ehm... unhinged story of... capitalism?

 

[German]

None of these products should/can be sold with HK markings.

And shouldn't be sold being marked and marketed with HK nomenclature.

It's not a M320-A5, there is no M320-A5, it's simply and truthfully a (cheap-ass turkish) KGL38.

Still nothing of that is mentioned in the GB ad, though.

Judging from what turkish shotguns cost compared to "Mossberg" branded turkish shotguns compared to US made shotguns I would be surprised if those KGL38 cost too far into the four digit space, if at all. So there is still a lot of cream and motivation in those 344.400$

 

[German]

...the Eagle over N proof mark isn't in use anymore for a couple of years now.
So either this is old new stock or somebody capable of laser engraving didn't get the memo.

View attachment 404372


Eagle N switched to CIP/N in Oct 2014 so AG (2006) date code weapon would have an Eagle N on it, but the alignment would be bottom justified.

After a discussion with some experts about this I have to add/correct that it pretty likely that there would be neither any Eagle/N nor CIP/N marking on a Cal. 37 MM flare launcher.

I am not aware of any CIP TDCC for 37 MM cartridges and I didn't find any with a cursory search.

CIP - Homologation

bobp.cip-bobp.org

(there are actually 40 mm CIP TDCCs, so this should be the correct table)

If this is correct, there wouldn't be any CIP/N on any HK 37 MM launcher.

 

[German]

So this showed up on Gunbroker https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1026252492

At least now the text states "clone" and "HK style". That's the most honest description yet.