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I hear the BH Serpa for the P2000 is a better fit for the P30. I cant seem to find it in left hand. Just want something for the range is all. The model number to BH Serpa for the P30 is 410517BK-L but some say it has some slop in it. Any input appreciated.
 

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I have the Serpa CQC for P30 and I don't think it has slop or is loose. There's an adjustment screw to configure the fit too. This holster also fits the HK45 perfectly as well.

YMMV
 

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I've read a lot of bickering about the Serpa, but I never had any issues with my USP-c or with my P30L. When draw with my P30L, I keep my finger indexed on the lever and when the gun is out of it's holster my finger is naturally out of the trigger guard, nowhere near the trigger.

Can anyone elaborate?
 

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The Serpa is not good for your health.
I bet that soon enough Blackhawk is going to need a Surgeon General's warning written on the SERPA.

To the OP:

Don't know what to tell you, man. I had my own bout with the SERPA for my P2000, and it lets the P2000 rock back and forth. Don't know why it'd be any different with a P30 in there.....
 

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I've read a lot of bickering about the Serpa, but I never had any issues with my USP-c or with my P30L. When draw with my P30L, I keep my finger indexed on the lever and when the gun is out of it's holster my finger is naturally out of the trigger guard, nowhere near the trigger.

Can anyone elaborate?
The problem isn't when you draw it right.

It's when you do it wrong.

This is problem #1 with the SERPA:

Curling your finger is a natural human response to stress/adrenaline. It's not a problem specific to the SERPA......natural clenching when flustered is the same reason that some instructors will tell their students to just drop the gun if they start to fall. If the gun is in your hands, then you have the capability to clench up and squeeze the trigger. It's a natural human reaction.

Paul Gomez has a pretty good video about that, as well as technique to minimize curling of the finger if you do get flustered:
The Right Way to Draw from a SERPA

Problem #2:
Try doing WHO manipulations, like drawing. It sucks with the SERPA, plain and simple. When using your strong hand, the SERPA lock is ultra easy to use.....when using your weak hand, that thing works against you.

Problem #3:
It's a POS that is not durable. A CBP buddy of mine in AZ has had his fall apart about 2 times. JodyH has observed that CBP instructors out of Artesia have theirs wrapped in duct-tape. Nuff said.

Problem #4:
The lock can get jammed. Check out this video from a class with SouthNarc and Paul Gomez.....I can't link directly to it, but I can link to the thread it's in on AR15.com. It's the very first post. This video should be enough.
SERPA failure video - SouthNarc and Paul Gomez. - AR15.COM

If that isn't enough, then search youtube. There's multiple videos of them failing to unlock, even one in snow.
 

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Just owning a Serpa is a sign of gross negligence.
:380: Didn't you have a SERPA?

It's okay. Me too. It's in the holster box, no one will buy it. I ditched that thing after the first course I attended and saw how awful it is for WHO manipulations.
 

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I teach Military and many Fed agencies, most use the Serpa. It is actually an easy holster to use, you'll see why it is popular once you attend a handgun retention class. Think of getting up and out of a M113, Bradley, humvee over and over and over.
 

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I teach Military and many Fed agencies, most use the Serpa. It is actually an easy holster to use, you'll see why it is popular once you attend a handgun retention class. Think of getting up and out of a M113, Bradley, humvee over and over and over.
Looks like more agencies and training operations are banning the Serpa:

pistol-training.com » Blog Archive » More Agencies Ban the SERPA

More Serpa reading:

pistol-training.com » Blog Archive » Omnibus SERPA Thoughts

pistol-training.com » Blog Archive » Why I Don’t Recommend SERPA Holsters
 

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I teach Military and many Fed agencies, most use the Serpa. It is actually an easy holster to use, you'll see why it is popular once you attend a handgun retention class. Think of getting up and out of a M113, Bradley, humvee over and over and over.
Yeah, where the Safariland SLS is even better......

I was in the military. Most units who get to choose what holster they use do NOT use the SERPA. It is, however, a pencil pushers' wet dream.

The SERPA offers absolutely ZERO advantage over a Safariland SLS, and does everything worse except initial purchase price.

BTW, the SERPA is starting to be banned by LE agencies, including feds. In addition, most reputable instructors have already banned the SERPA or severely restrict their admittance to a course.
 

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FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) banned them after a student shot himself

Larry Vickers and other top tier instructors have banned them (as Apollo lists above).

Serpas are what made this clown famous: I shot myself! Original Upload! - YouTube

The list is ENDLESS of those that have serious issues with them. Those that don't use either one of two arguments:

1) "I've never had trouble with MINE, so I don't see the trouble." That's all well and good here on the interwebs, but people using them hard for a living are collectively saying otherwise. Be it due to breakage, poor construction, or the bad idea of using the index finger to release retention; it's hard to argue with the legions of professionals that have experienced problems first hand

2) "But the Military has a huge contract for SERPA's." This technically isn't much of an argument as anyone with half a brain knows that not every piece of kit is "the best". The SERPA is just another cheap piece of issued crap.

Sadly, I can not link the 2 threads in the ALL GUNS section where I registered my disgust with this platform
 

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In addition to the above list:

Kyle Defoor: "Whoever chose this piece of **** to be issued to anyone- you're an inexperienced pistol shooter who has no common sense. Hope you got a decent kickback from Blackhawk. "
Source: Kyle Defoor: No more SERPA holsters in my classes

John Murphy: SERPA's highly discouraged, but allowed only for DA guns.
Source: http://www.fpftraining.com/ccsd.html

Larry Vickers: Serpas banned from training courses
source: http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.ph...&postcount=112

Gunsite: Serpas not officially banned, but not recommended
source: Cory Trapp of Gunsite
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...Number=2714778

Banned from Training with BRTC
BRTC Mission |

Pat Rogers has not yet banned them as he has too many .mil students that have them, but he strongly recommends against using them.

Wilson Tactical Training has banned the SERPA after conducting FoF/Simunitions testing to judge suitability
Source: Blackhawk Serpa Holster |

Here's a list of ND's. This is just a primer, oh yes, there's more!
M4Carbine.net Forums

http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/7920...1#.TzHoPoHYHXg

http://floridaconcealedcarry.com/For...march-in-CFRPC

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/gen...discharge.html

Actual Negligent Discharge From A SERPA Holster (Graphic)

http://boloreport.com/officer-safety...system-holster

http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/7803...s#.TzHqMYHYHXg

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/h...ts-self-at-S&W

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.p...ll=1#post36323

http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/5962...s-#reply-59628

http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/5963...s-#reply-59633

http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/5965...s-#reply-59651

http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/6451...s-#reply-64514
 

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Hmm. Some of those ND links aren't working.

They work here, if you're interested in reading them.

TGS, you should have included Pat Rogers' quote: "SERPAs Suck" from his forum
Link it, brother!
 

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Unless you have a login, you can't read it, but here it goes:
Originally posted by Pat _Rogers:
You might need to refine your search.
serpa's suck. There are better options out there.
Some of the links for the above:

Originally posted by pointblank4445:
I'm sure there are others that are compiling precedence against the use of the SERPA system for evaluation by their command/dept.

Here are some official/unofficial statements on the subject:

Larry Vickers: Serpas banned from training courses
source: http://www.m4carbine.net/showp...043371&postcount=112

Gunsite: Serpas not officially banned, but not recommended
source: Cory Trapp of Gunsite
http://www.snipershide.com/for...wflat&Number=2714778

ToddG/Pistol Training: Serpas banned as of this year (2012)
Source: pistol-training.com » Blog Archive » More SERPA = Bad

FLETC: Pending verification, Serpas are banned
Source: Pending

Pat Rogers: "serpas suck"
Source: http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...008371/m/38620833663
 

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To the OP, I know your intentions (for now) are just to have for the range. A system like the Sarfariland SLS is comparable in price yet would suit your needs should you decided to do more with it. My Safariland duty holster was used by 2 other officers before me and it's still going strong. And it is no coincidence that ALL of my work (duty, SWAT, UC) holster rigs are Safariland of the ALS or SLS persuasion.
 
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