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I found out tonight that my 60ish year old mother of us 3 boys and grandmother of 1 adorable granddaughter is in the market for a new gun. I got her hooked on regular practice at an indoor range with a 4" S&W 686 plus in .357, which she then got a 3" barrel and uses .38 specials. She found out that her and dad love the shooting sport hobby and then.... they both got their California carry permits! (I didn't know a son could be so proud!) Once approved, she got a Ruger LCR. And now... she's in the market for "a full size 9mm".

P2000, v3, two tone (she loves the silver look), 9mm, nuff said.

So anyone have a female counterpart that shoots an HK pistols AND would know just what to say to her to sell my mother on one? I said "hold a Glock 19 and then hold a P2000" but she didn't know what a Glock was... ha!

I just read http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/118262-gun-wife-p30-vs-p2000-vs-p2000sk-2.html LOTS of great stuff that's given me ideas. And where can she/I find a silver one? Anyone know the UPC for 9mm, 10 rounds?
 

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Honestly, just letting them shoot one will do the trick. My mother was convinced that she loved the Glock. I didn't even let her shoot it first. I did the pre-range dry fire practice, load/unload commands, and render safe commands with the P30.

She loved the P30, and honestly after shooting it couldn't shoot anything as good. She shot a Colt lightweight commander, Glock 19, MK25, HK45, and CZ .25 pocket pistol. She said, can I shoot the one I like again.

The P30 fit her perfect out of the box, it handled the recoil very well, and she did amazing with it. I couldn't have been more proud of ole ma. She's 60, and she did very well. I am going to get her one for next christmas........after she gets her socialist NYS pistol permit.
 

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A stainless P2000/P2000sk slide would be the grail for me. I like the two tone look. ROBAR or METALIFE would probably me my choice. No paint for me.
 

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Similar situation here, my mother (51 years old) got her Florida concealed carry permit (yes, I was very proud!) and after both of us did some research we went to the range together and she checked out the Walther PPS 9mm, Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm, SIG P938, and SIG P238. I was very sad that the only comparable offering from H&K, the P7, is so heavy and expensive compared to the others, besides being long out of production (also researched the Kahr, Taurus, Beretta, Ruger, plus quickly rejected the Kel-Tec, Springfield, and Kimber). I was thinking, "Why isn't there a single stack 'P30SK' so I can tell her to ignore all these other guns and just order this??"

She shot the Shield and did a great job with it but said the recoil spring was stiff enough that she wasn't confident of her ability to rack the slide easily under stress (she has some hand/finger strength problems related to previous tendon injuries). Also she was only moderately happy with the safety (she is not even the slightest bit interested in the "Safe Action" or DA/SA/decocker only manual of arms; she rejected the PPS on that basis alone). Then she handled the SIG P938 on the counter and loved the design but was still a little uncomfortable with the stiffness of the recoil spring. The P238 felt perfect to her, and she drove tacks with it on the range. We had a discussion about the merits of .380 Auto vs 9x19mm and bigger/heavier vs smaller/lighter and ease of use, and both agreed that the gun she is more confident and comfortable operating and shooting and more likely to actually carry is better than the gun that offers more reliable penetration and expansion but she might not actually carry and use as reliably. She ordered one and now is looking forward to practicing with it and getting serious defensive shooting training.

Mom got a nice compact fingerprint safe for her bedroom so that she can have her carry gun loaded and ready to go whenever she leaves the house, once she starts carrying regularly. Then she started talking about how if anybody broke into the house, she can pull the SIG out of the safe. I understand that ultra compact, ultra slim, lightweight, low capacity, and low recoil are all important compromises for a carry piece. But making all those compromises in a home defense gun?? I've been trying to convince her that she should get a shotgun or carbine for the house, but she insists that there is nowhere to put it in her fancy bedroom or fancier closet (would interfere with the floor-to-ceiling shoe rack, and you know that's unacceptable). So if a long gun takes up too much space, AT LEAST start with a high capacity 9x19mm pistol with a light attached, right??

I think she needs a P30LS with a TLR-3:

[Not an LS, but the closest photos I could find with Google:]




See if my reasoning makes sense here...I figure the P30LS should have great ergonomics especially with the ability to change panels to fit her hands, a nice long sight radius, the ability to load up 15+1 +P or +P+ rounds of 9x19mm to reliably deal with most break-ins, and with the longer, heavier slide the recoil spring should be among the lightest of any defensive 9x19mm handgun (so easiest to rack) and especially with the TLR-3 hanging underneath, be extremely stable under recoil. Do you guys agree with my analysis? For those of you who have handled the P30L/LS, how easy is the slide to operate vs other comparable pistols? Do any of you have experience with the TLR-3 and if so, what do you think of it for this application? Also, is there anybody in South Florida with a 9x19mm P30LS who might want to arrange a joint range trip so my mother could try it out? (I promise to bring my USP45 Elite and 'trade' for the day!)
 

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TooSixy "There is no factory SS P2000. You might have to find one refinished with NP3 or the like."

I will tell mother you said that. She will be very disappointed. Very disappointed.
 

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Excellent work, you should be very proud, Cali CCWs are very hard to get!

Just buy a P2000 and send it out to be refinished or buy a USP Compact Stainless, that should be close enough. Congrats and stay safe!
 
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