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I just mailed Doug MO for $15k. if all goes well in a few very long month I will have my DLO registered trigger box. The plan is to build MP5k-PDW of HK53k. I would like to have one as close to a real HK as legally possible. I can get a SP89 pistol or demilled parts kit.
Is it possible to get a real MP5K MP5 or HK53 receiver?
Who makes or where can I get a receiver with all original markings (replica)?
Will semiautomatic SP89 receiver work with auto lower or it needs to be modified?

Thank you for your help.
 

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I just mailed Doug MO for $15k. if all goes well in a few very long month I will have my DLO registered trigger box. The plan is to build MP5k-PDW of HK53k. I would like to have one as close to a real HK as legally possible. I can get a SP89 pistol or demilled parts kit.
Is it possible to get a real MP5K MP5 or HK53 receiver?
Who makes or where can I get a receiver with all original markings (replica)?
Will semiautomatic SP89 receiver work with auto lower or it needs to be modified?

Thank you for your help.
Congratulations on your purchase of a registered trigger box. I understand that you are new, and I'm sure that most everyone here would like you to get the most out of your new roller locked gun collection. IMHO, if you had read the article in the "World Of HK" The Complete Reference on the Legal NFA Conversion of HK Firearms about how HK conversions are done and what is legal and what is not, I'd think you'd have the answers to most of the questions you asked above. There is a lot of great information there. When I was starting to learn about roller locked guns, I must have read that article 10 times. Once I felt that I understood the article, then I asked a few questions on points that I needed more information about.

Please don't take this as a personal attack. I'd like to help others new to roller locked guns. I do so as others on this board have helped me. I'd personally, be far more likely to answer questions for a new member if I felt that member had searched on their own, but was having trouble understanding a specific point or concept. In this question "Is it possible to get a real MP5K MP5 or HK53 receiver?", a very basic concept in firearms collection is the receiver is the firearm. So I read your question as "Can I buy an original machinegun receiver somewhere?" The short answer is, not unless you are a Special Operational Taxpayer, or can find an original receiver that was imported into the US pre GCA of '68. I believe the K and 53 didn't exist in '68 and since importation of the MP5 didn't start until '65 or '66, that would be a very expensive receiver. Good luck with your search.

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I started with a HK91 then got a MP5K-PDW, now days would start with the MM23eK and then get one of the MP5's and a HK53 (or a HK53K and HK33K) followed by a "HK"52D (size TBD). That said, a more typical path is 9mm if you shoot inside, matches, suppressed and/or limited distances (either MP5A2 or MP5PDW). If you shoot outside at 100 yards plus, then would consider starting with 223 (i.e. HK52 and MM23eK).

If you are going to shoot sub-gun matches then get the MP5A2, other wise get either the MP5A2 or the MP5K-PDW, depending on which you like the best.
Next would get the HK53, unless I was getting one of the "HK"53K Dragon's, in which case would consider a 33K to go with the HK53.
Next would get a MM23eK ;-)
At that point would consider the "HK"52D or the "HK"52KD and pick up which ever 9mm you missed between the MP5A2 and the MP5K-PDW.
By this time you are far enough in that you will be looking at another sear or trigger pack and if funding allows, this will be less than 18 months from now .... LOL!
 

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Like Scott said you won't be able to have a origional HK MG reciever, but you can allways look for a SBR'd HK94 or HK93 that was remarked and converted to proper specs. However a 94 that has been brought up to MP5 specs will probably run between 5.5-7K. Unless you have to have the HK markings you might consider having one of the builders here (Ghilliebear or Chopstick) hook you up. For about 2.5K you can have a MP5 that is all German except for the LSC receiver and the fit and finnish will probably exceded the origional German guns.

I had ghilliebear build me a MP5 and a 33K and they look great and function flawlessly and the cost for both was less than finding an unconverted 94. Another plus is the guns I have are were build as pistols, so I saved $400 and a lot of time by not having to SBR my host guns.

A SP89 should run with a sear as long as you either have your carrier welded up or replaced with a MP5K carrier.
 

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At this point and time do not have ANYTHING "remarked" on anything intended for use as NFA. Spets... you should be a subscriber to Small Arms Review. All the latest news on NFA is available for a cheap price. The latest Mark Barnes (lawyer with MUCH NFA experience) article has an in depth review of remarking guns... and the story is NOT good for us.
 

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Damn dude nice entry into NFA !!!!
Id go with a 9mm either k or mp5 n for your first host .......
Then move up to bigger cal guns like the 53 & 51 ....
Congrats & good luck .
 

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At this point and time do not have ANYTHING "remarked" on anything intended for use as NFA. Spets... you should be a subscriber to Small Arms Review. All the latest news on NFA is available for a cheap price. The latest Mark Barnes (lawyer with MUCH NFA experience) article has an in depth review of remarking guns... and the story is NOT good for us.
Shattered,
Until I get down to the store to find the latest copy, can you give us a quick condensed version of article and its cons?
 

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It said that guns like the HK94 need to retain all their origional markings from when they were title 1 guns. According to what I read the only way to have a gun labled to appear as a factory MP5 would be to buy a presample gun, or roll your own flat and mark it however you desire.

The article seems to call into question any gun that started life as a particular model and had the model changed to reflect it's new appearance. It's definatly worth picking up this month's SAR if you are into NFA weapons (HK in particular).
 

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I am just a bit OCD about my guns I really have thing against fakes. But from the looks of it I will have to get over it.
JT, I like your plan but I don’t know if it all will get approved by THE WIFE… with delicate manners like this have to go low and slow
so MM23eK in 308 is next ;D
 

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Spets...

consider buying a HK SP89 that's been re-worked into MP5k -PDW configuration...so it'd be a SBR ( another long wait).

Or if you want to go the more simple way and faster although technically not as factory correct,etc...Find a well known gunsmith to build you a MP5k clone as a pistol. Then once in your hands you can add that DLO box and rock n' roll as you wish. Once you have the pistol if you want to SBR it , you can on your own time with it in your possession in the meanwhile. Of course you'll have to add SBR markings to it though.

Let us know what you end up doing and shoot us some gun porn pics when you receive your gun.

I'm betting everyone here on this forum that you'll end up with >4 clones within the year...bc that DLO trigger box will "make" you do it. That's the value of it...to move around from gun to gun. If you weren't gonna move it around then you might as well had just bought an Reg. receiver. Factory guns or clones...either way they are coming!

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I am just a bit OCD about my guns I really have thing against fakes. But from the looks of it I will have to get over it.

Man...I'm with you. But you see the "fakes" have gotten to be excellent quality over the last few yrs. Throw in stringent regs about imported guns, yada, yada and you end up with the choice of going the collectible route and safe-queening the factory guns OR going quality clone and getting plenty of shoot time with them. These days it just doesnt make too much sense to shoot the snot out of HKs...at least thats the way I see it.

What I did when I was in your shoes with a sear and its solitary host gun (a HK MP5k...which was a Fleming conversion with reg sear) and all skeptical about clones and learning roller locks....was to buy factory 91 and 33 and then get used to the whole sear/host thing. Then I branched out and started buying multiple clone hosts from the likes of GhilleBear, Michael's Machine, and Dakota Tactical (pending)...all mighty fine guns and as much fun to shoot and as reliable as my original 3 factory hosts. Their build quality is great. And you start to get kinky....you know like getting "Baby Dragons" 51k ( .308 with a 4" barrel) from Ghillie, "The Jack 51 " from Michael, and these weird hybrids called "reverse stretches" from Chopstix. And you start into the 7.69 x 39mm variants...and now there's a lot of interest/hype in the 300 Blackout round variants all of the sudden. It just gets kinkier and kinkier...

So I'm betting you start with missionary position HK stuff.....but in short order ...you'll be swinging like the rest of us.

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*When I think of Porsche I think 911
When I think H&K first thing comes to mind in mp5 so I am shopping for sp89 pistol. *Will add a factory stock once I got my trigger box. This way it's all OEM except the box. * Will keep sp89 markings. *
 

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Yep. I understand completely....and I went the same route. My first was also the HK MP5k (converted SP89 + Fleming sear) in 1999. Basically sat in the safe for a decade while I was in medical training in a gun-hostile, no CLEO signoff, etc. Once I moved and finally got her out to shoot...well it's been host after host ever since...some factory but more recently not so much.

You're sure to enjoy the trigger box and all the options it affords.

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It said that guns like the HK94 need to retain all their origional markings from when they were title 1 guns. According to what I read the only way to have a gun labled to appear as a factory MP5 would be to buy a presample gun, or roll your own flat and mark it however you desire.

The article seems to call into question any gun that started life as a particular model and had the model changed to reflect it's new appearance. It's definatly worth picking up this month's SAR if you are into NFA weapons (HK in particular).
Another take on the existing rules, is that once a gun becomes Tittle II (i.e. SBR or RR) the makings can no longer be changed. Thus one was ok to remark the model on a Tittle 1 host (i.e. SP89 or HK94) before it was papered as a SBR or RR in the old days. But this is just one take on the rules, I am not a lawyer and all disclaimers apply.
 

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I put in the poll what I did do when I jumped in and it was a HK94 SBR/Suppressor MP5SD, sear in an ambi 4 pos lower. If I were to do it again I would do MP5-N tread on suppressor it's more versatile. But as it sits I have both an many more, love them all and you will too. 
 

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For a first host to go with that registered box, I'd like to see you get into the MP5 sized gun. They don't shoot as fast as the "K" guns and are a bit more reliable. Sometimes the "K"s have FTF/FTE issues... that happens when the rate of fire is higher. Don't get me wrong. I like the shorties, hence you see me with 51Ks, 53Ks, etc... but the 4 inch barreled 9mm guns seem to just need more attention than say, the 8 inch barreled version of the same gun.

I'm sure you'll end up with virtually one of everything as most of us have, but I think you'd have a more positive experience starting off with the longer barreled clone.
 

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I started with a HK91 then got a MP5K-PDW, now days would start with the MM23eK and then get one of the MP5's and a HK53 (or a HK53K and HK33K) followed by a "HK"52D (size TBD). That said, a more typical path is 9mm if you shoot inside, matches, suppressed and/or limited distances (either MP5A2 or MP5PDW). If you shoot outside at 100 yards plus, then would consider starting with 223 (i.e. HK52 and MM23eK).

If you are going to shoot sub-gun matches then get the MP5A2, other wise get either the MP5A2 or the MP5K-PDW, depending on which you like the best.
Next would get the HK53, unless I was getting one of the "HK"53K Dragon's, in which case would consider a 33K to go with the HK53.
Next would get a MM23eK ;-)
At that point would consider the "HK"52D or the "HK"52KD and pick up which ever 9mm you missed between the MP5A2 and the MP5K-PDW.
By this time you are far enough in that you will be looking at another sear or trigger pack and if funding allows, this will be less than 18 months from now .... LOL!
What is the "HK"52D? Do you mean MP5SD?

Personally I love the MP5K. I didn't really care for it and started myself with a MP5 but now that I have it, it quickly evolved into my favorite
 
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