[nightscape]

So, is HKey done for? Or, is HK just providing the most common option (but both are available)?

HK does not want bring HKey into the USA due to MLOK

 

[StefanoMapo]

It is not.



That's three out of... how many?

And Paratroopers are not Special Forces.




Well, the SAS also used the SA80 at some point...



Even with light profile barrels which are available to those MIL and LE entities that request them?
Don't think so.

is nosense easly because you don't have any proof at all, yes initially mcx from 2018 had problem lkke every first gen rifle, first gen 416 was a nightmare.

Here and in france we have normal paratroopers who use the stadard rifle, (arx in italy and 416 in france) and then we have SF paratroopers like folgore or san marco battalion they are considered special forces and they can choose whatever they want.

only three? they are the best SF in the world and with neavy seals both use mcx, that doesn't mean they use mcx every time but like the 416 is recognized s
as very reliable and durable platform

 

[AggiePhil]

Weighed at 7.3 pounds vs 9 pounds in James video.

Why is that?

 

[nightscape]

So the bigger question is, who wants give me money for ammo so I can shoot out the barrel?

 

[plaidsteel]

HK does not want bring HKey into the USA due to MLOK

I should have been more clear. I was more talking about in Germany, since they also have/advertise newer MLOK rails on the 416 and 433.

 

[Jpfl17]

That’s correct, any AR15 magazine should work, including the older P-Mags.

Thank you

 

[asillasitgets]

I don't understand why a serious enthusiast would be so defensive of a glaring missing feature like a chrome bore. The frustration seems misdirected.

I’m not defending it. I would prefer a chrome lined barrel as well. I’m saying that the frustration has been expressed, HK USA has heard it in this thread, and that they’ve explained why they are not chrome lining the barrel.

What I am saying that you seem to confuse with defending the decision, is that it’s been discussed more than enough, and that there are other things to discuss that are being buried by people like you who feel the need to bring it up again and again.

A simple thought experiment: if the barrel was chrome lined would HK fans be complaining about the supposedly great loss of accuracy this causes. and would anyone be asking for an option with an unlined barrel?

Like I said, no original thoughts to share on the topic, that too has been discussed. Go read the entire thread.

 

[asillasitgets]

HK does not want bring HKey into the USA due to MLOK

Also HKEY is pretty much dead. It’s not bad, but MLOK is the standard going forward.

 

[asillasitgets]

Why is that?

My guess is ammunition, Eotech, and a sling.

 

[BarnOwlLover]

As to some items (though I'm far from an expert), the MR556A4 does use the HK416A5/A7/A8 magwell pattern. That was asked for with the 416A5 and afterwards to allow for more than just USGI/STANAG pattern metal mags to be used. And, of course, makes perfect sense for the MRA4.

Also, unless you imported them into North America (for sure the US) on your own dime, HK USA never offered HKey. It was either the quadrail, or more recently the MLok handguard on the A1. The newer MLok handgaurd is patterned after the European HK416 MLok handguards (that also just got released for the MR223s over there a few weeks ago, at least in volume). Only big difference is that the US version (so far) has kept the crossbolt, instead of the newer QD latch.

Now, even though it's probably too late (for the time being) for this to happen, but I'd love to see the MR762 be upgraded with a new lower that'd accept SR-25/AR-10 mags, like what is being implemented as an option on the MR308A4/A5/A6. The G210 sniper rifle (based on the MR308A6) does use HK's version of AR-10 pattern mags. In fairness, though, the Euro MR A4/A5/A6 rifles aren't out for commercial sale yet in Europe or internationally--only ones that have been sold are the G210s to German Army KSK and Frontier troops (and even though the tender was won by HK a couple of months ago, I doubt that they've actually delivered or issued any as of yet).

 

[nightscape]

People dont seem to understand that HK USA doesn't make the MR556A4 barrels in the united states they are made in germany. HK Germany has the final say on the barrels being chrome or not.

 

[AggiePhil]

HK USA never offered HKey. It was either the quadrail, or more recently the MLok handguard on the A1.

Not true. My MR, purchased probably 8 years or so ago now, came with a HKey handguard (9”, I believe). Finally sold that thing for pennies on the dollar. Looked dumb.

 

[marshalltx]

Only big difference is that the US version (so far) has kept the crossbolt, instead of the newer QD latch.

Now, even though it's probably too late (for the time being) for this to happen, but I'd love to see the MR762 be upgraded with a new lower that'd accept SR-25/AR-10 mags, like what is being implemented as an option on the MR308A4/A5/A6. The G210 sniper rifle (based on the MR308A6) does use HK's version of AR-10 pattern mags. In fairness, though, the Euro MR A4/A5/A6 rifles aren't out for commercial sale yet in Europe or internationally--only ones that have been sold are the G210s to German Army KSK and Frontier troops (and even though the tender was won by HK a couple of months ago, I doubt that they've actually delivered or issued any as of yet).

@HK CS1 what of these two things?

 

[MichaelVain]

I don't care about chrome lined barrel. HK Germany says it's not necessary so that's good enough for me. HK USA says if you shoot out the barrel where you're getting degradation in accuracy, you'll get a new barrel.

I welcome these new features. Cant wait to throw my NT4 on the 11.5".

 

[Elitheiceman010]

After seeing Derek’s deep dive video I’m very happy with this rifle. The knob on the adjustable gas block knurled to help grip it and also small hole to possibly put a tool in to aid in rotation.
Im wondering if these will be compatible with the older gen and sold separately? I would like to know what the white paint is so I can color fill my nefarious arms blocks.

The ambi charging handle that appears to be the French hk416-F style is something that caught me off guard. I really expected a US maker pulled from the open market for that. Very happy to see it has this.

Love the profile on the full sized rifle. If it can hold the accuracy guarantee and be light win win. I’ve hammered on my mr556A1 CC date code hard and it never gave me problems with a suppressor on the end. I expect no different with the new one.

Hand guard great design choice for the modern market and accessories. (Lights, grips, hand stops, etc.) and that steel QD mounted in a similar place as the geissele for slings. Chefs kiss.

Muzzle device 🤷 I’m going to do my own thing to suppress it.

G95 style safety levers nothing to say but again caught me off guard was not expecting that. Another win. Big time.

I might have some heavy criticism about a few things but I still love this plate form and HK does make great product. Looking forward to adding this to my collection and to see if I can achieve 10k rounds before I pass away lol 😂

 

[th365thli]

Same. After looking into it more they really brought a lot of features. I didn't like the MR556A1 because even though we understand we pay a premium for HK it really was quite dated.

With the A4 they really modernized it with the details. I personally don't care about chrome lining, I care about ambi features, mag compatibility, how good the controls feel etc. I care about the lifespan of the rifle. If HK themselves, out of the horses mouth, is saying the barrels shoot 1 MOA up to 12k rounds AT LEAST, who really cares? Oh they're gonna replace the barrel for free? Then what are we talking about here? I wouldn't be surprised if these barrels shoot up to 20k with serviceable accuracy.

I feel like people who are complaining about chrome-lining are just willfully ignoring the fact the HK themselves are standing behind the durability of the barrel. Given the durability claims, are people complaining TRULY worried about durability? I don't get the point.

I will be purchasing an 11 inch pistol as soon as they hit the shelves.

 

[BarnOwlLover]

And though I brought it up, I don't think we'll be seeing a MR762 that'll take AR-10 mags. It'd be neat, but is the demand there for it? HK did do it as an option for the MR308A4/5/6, but aside from the G210, none have even been sold as of yet. Also, I do believe that the HK .308 PMag may have originated with the HK231, the in development but yet to be announced .308/7.62mm NATO big brother to the HK433. And no HK417s have been sold or announced with that newer mag pattern.

And also in fairness, .308 rifle mag standardization is still sort of the wild west even with there being gravitation to the SR-25 standard. The FN SCAR for example uses FN FAL mags that were changed to being straight in instead of rock and lock, and using an AR-15/AR-10 ambi mag release instead of a rear paddle release. And the HK417/MR308/MR762/G28 mags are basically big G36 mags modified to use AR-type mag releases.

 

[Elitheiceman010]

The grip is the one thing I couldn’t pin down. I’m not sure how I feel about leaving it on. It’s kind of like a fab defense mixed with the new hk adaptable grip on the g95.

I also would like to have seen buis sights. I’m a fudd in that way about buis sights.

 

[nightscape]

In case no one brothered to read what @HK CS1 put out

 

[Brad4065]

Edit....never mind ^^^^^^ this