I've never seen a PSG1, but various ads on gunbroker have shown the 300 meter test targets that came with the guns that aren't extremely impressive when it is assumed a qualified, experienced marksman is testing them, let alone, presumably using some sort of bench jig. Don't get me wrong- I'd love to own one as a collector, and never will, but just because a weapon is capable of pinpoint accuracy, it doesn't mean the user will make sub MOA hits with it for his $10k-$20k expenditure I've seen them offered for. Neat as HELL, but way, WAY over valued, and mainly for their rarity. Research seems to show most departments agreed. I would like to see a comparison someday using one experienced marksman between a PSG1A1 and a G28. I seems to be obvious how the military feels. The PSG1 has seen its day.
The price tag you see today is not the orginal MSRP of the rifle. In the late 80's, I could have bought a PSG-1 from a local gun range here for $3000.00 NIB.I would certainly hope a rifle that costs what the PSG1 costs would include a test target from the factory that was representative of more than the rifle going "bang" when the trigger was pulled.
The MR761A1 and PSG1 are not in the same class. I have fired various PSG1's that printed groups with factory ammo @ 1/4" at 100 meters fired from a bench using a simple rest. SUB 1MOA even SUB 3/4MOA is common for the PSG1. The factory test fire targets delivered with PSG1's are fired at 300 meters with factory ammo for accuracy and most often are under 3 inches. The PSG1 was purpose-designed for accuracy and speed of engagement with no cost spared which is why it costs $12000+ versus the advertised MSRP of @ $4K for the MR762A1.I know I'm gonna get stoned for even asking this...:19: but how's accuracy & quality compare between new MR762 & old PSG1?
MR762 is manufacturing w/ current technology and at $4000 price range for one .308 rifle... it's gotta be good.
Any thoughts?
.The price tag you see today is not the orginal MSRP of the rifle. In the late 80's, I could have bought a PSG-1 from a local gun range here for $3000.00 NIB.
My friend who initially was military designated marksman, then become Police CT sniper says that both tasks and equipment requirements (not only for rifle, also for optics) are much different. Long story tough.Just a guess, are there any differences between a police sniper rifle and a military DMR?
For sure!.
But then adjusted for inflation....
Lot of different stuff. They started in Police with SVD that they used in military (it was early 90s), but later they got lot of new stuff. I'm not in position to share details.Montrala- what did he use?
Your's is a somewhat difficult question to answer Brahma. It all depends on the requirements that the various rifles you mentioned were built to. HK designs its guns to meet a list of requirements. The German Army was looking for a 7.62mm NATO rifle to fill the role of the designated marksman (DM) which is generally a long gun shooter within the squad/section/platoon with some additional marksmanship training beyond that of the common riflemen. DM's are generally expert rifle shooters who are selected to attend additional DM training (usually 3-5 days within his own unit) and then receive a select version of the standard AR, which is how the G3 SG/1 came about and was employed and preferably "blend" into the squad. As the Germans no longer use the 7.62mm G3 as a standard battle rifle (though did refield some in a limited DM role for AFG before the G28 came along) the Bundeswehr went to HK for a rapid development in 7.62mm NATO for Afghanistan as no 5.56mm NATO weapon was getting the job done. I have learned that the Germans wanted to use standard German 7.62mm NATO ball ammo in the G28 DM so automatically it is limited in accuracy by the ammo.G3- isnt the G28 positioned as a sniper rifle in one of the variants? If so, are there different "select" barrels chosen for them above and beyond the "average" 417? And if that is true, wouldn't a "match rifle" civilian model, using a "select" barrel be competitive with PSG1 performance in skilled hands? I guess what I am asking is just how different is the performance of a rather expensive "match rifle"- one marketed by name, for competition, than the PSG1? I have mentioned that the 300 meter test targets I have seen for the PSG1 were excellent but not outrageously different from what I would expect from a true "match" rifle of the same caliber, both using quality optics.
Yes. Very much so. Though the definitions vary the general description can be as follws.Just a guess, are there any differences between a police sniper rifle and a military DMR?