Me: normal citizen with small amounts or training and experience (CCW, Lethal Force Institute Advanced Handgun 1, and LFI-1. I've shot roughly 6k rounds in the past 7-9 months I've been training with handguns.
Point 1: staging the trigger on any gun might work for small increases in accuracy and speed but when under stress you will not be able to stage the trigger. The solution to this is pulling from the front to the back each shot. Staging the trigger might be great in competition etc. but in my training I want to keep my training and muscle memory as close to real life as possible. It is very hard to replicate the amounts of stress that one would encounter in a real life shooting situation but you should train with a trigger press consistent with a technique that will work under stress.
Point 2: I thought I liked the trigger on my Glock 26 (more than my USP-note at that time V1) after I shot 1,500 rounds in LFI-Advanced Handgun bc my speed went up dramatically and my accuracy improved. At the time I felt like I could really shoot very fast with more accuracy than before (with either weapon).
Point 3: During LFI-1 I was informed that even the most highly trained shooter will not be able to stage a trigger when in a real life situation. Thus it makes sense to train full trigger stroke, that way it will apply in a real life situation (note Mr. Ayoob does this himself with his G30 and NY trigger). I tried to test myself with both staging and full stroke (on my USPf 45 w LEM) and found that under medium speed drills I could shoot slightly better staging...but under absolute speed I could maintain very near the same accuracy with a full trigger stroke. If I tried to stage the trigger at full speed I would just double clutch it and I would slow down noticeably and have decrease in overall accuracy.
Point 4: LEM is not a competition trigger (and you might note HK isn’t the choice among comp shooters) but I have found it to be very smooth and it works very well for a full trigger stroke. I had a local gun smith changed my trigger from V1 to LEM about 200 rounds before LFI-1 (which was taken after LFI-Advanced Handgun 1). LEM is great for a double action and feels far better to me that the V1 trigger in single action. For long distance accuracy shots you can stage the trigger if you need/want to, but at close range you can just keep rolling it smooth and it’ll cycle and get back on target as fast as the gun cycles and you can develop the muscle memory.
I am not pretending to be a veteran of handgun tactics, I’m just reporting what I’ve heard and experienced. I don’t pretend to know about everything but when people with a lifetime of experience tell me certain things are given under high stress I tend to believe them. I think the majority of people who own HK’s do so because of real life reliability and accuracy not trendy bs or the new feature of the week. People react under stress differently than they do in far more comfortable situations, HK builds products that will work in high stress situations, and so far I’ve been very happy with LEM and HK.
Another note on my USPf 45. Some people will find the frame and grip a bit too square and large (some say un-comfortable) but I have found that the near 90 degree on the vertical axis of the frame (the four corners not the point or vertical aim angle) to be very conducive to quickly orienting the weapon to point strait side-to-side. I wouldn’t call the grip comfy but it does allow me to produce an extraordinary amount of pressure on it and it seems to relay it’s point direction prior to me seeing the sights because of the 90 deg angles. I have strong thin fingers (eg. Can hold 100% body weight on second knuckle of two fingers of one hand with moderate difficulty).
Any of your personal comments, training and very high-stress situations experiences would be greatly appreciated in relation to trigger control and point aiming techniques.
Point 1: staging the trigger on any gun might work for small increases in accuracy and speed but when under stress you will not be able to stage the trigger. The solution to this is pulling from the front to the back each shot. Staging the trigger might be great in competition etc. but in my training I want to keep my training and muscle memory as close to real life as possible. It is very hard to replicate the amounts of stress that one would encounter in a real life shooting situation but you should train with a trigger press consistent with a technique that will work under stress.
Point 2: I thought I liked the trigger on my Glock 26 (more than my USP-note at that time V1) after I shot 1,500 rounds in LFI-Advanced Handgun bc my speed went up dramatically and my accuracy improved. At the time I felt like I could really shoot very fast with more accuracy than before (with either weapon).
Point 3: During LFI-1 I was informed that even the most highly trained shooter will not be able to stage a trigger when in a real life situation. Thus it makes sense to train full trigger stroke, that way it will apply in a real life situation (note Mr. Ayoob does this himself with his G30 and NY trigger). I tried to test myself with both staging and full stroke (on my USPf 45 w LEM) and found that under medium speed drills I could shoot slightly better staging...but under absolute speed I could maintain very near the same accuracy with a full trigger stroke. If I tried to stage the trigger at full speed I would just double clutch it and I would slow down noticeably and have decrease in overall accuracy.
Point 4: LEM is not a competition trigger (and you might note HK isn’t the choice among comp shooters) but I have found it to be very smooth and it works very well for a full trigger stroke. I had a local gun smith changed my trigger from V1 to LEM about 200 rounds before LFI-1 (which was taken after LFI-Advanced Handgun 1). LEM is great for a double action and feels far better to me that the V1 trigger in single action. For long distance accuracy shots you can stage the trigger if you need/want to, but at close range you can just keep rolling it smooth and it’ll cycle and get back on target as fast as the gun cycles and you can develop the muscle memory.
I am not pretending to be a veteran of handgun tactics, I’m just reporting what I’ve heard and experienced. I don’t pretend to know about everything but when people with a lifetime of experience tell me certain things are given under high stress I tend to believe them. I think the majority of people who own HK’s do so because of real life reliability and accuracy not trendy bs or the new feature of the week. People react under stress differently than they do in far more comfortable situations, HK builds products that will work in high stress situations, and so far I’ve been very happy with LEM and HK.
Another note on my USPf 45. Some people will find the frame and grip a bit too square and large (some say un-comfortable) but I have found that the near 90 degree on the vertical axis of the frame (the four corners not the point or vertical aim angle) to be very conducive to quickly orienting the weapon to point strait side-to-side. I wouldn’t call the grip comfy but it does allow me to produce an extraordinary amount of pressure on it and it seems to relay it’s point direction prior to me seeing the sights because of the 90 deg angles. I have strong thin fingers (eg. Can hold 100% body weight on second knuckle of two fingers of one hand with moderate difficulty).
Any of your personal comments, training and very high-stress situations experiences would be greatly appreciated in relation to trigger control and point aiming techniques.