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Is there a short version that sums it up? I gave up after a few minutes.
Sure, let me try, forgot that US members are not "heavily in the discussion"

"The acquisition and possession of firearms should only be permitted in respect of persons who have good cause."
There, not a right to have arms, but a privilege when proven good cause.

Member States should ensure that an effective system is implemented for monitoring the acquisition and possession of firearms.
Central monitoring and registration.

For the purposes of this Directive, "part" shall mean any element or replacement element specifically designed for a firearm and essential to its operation, including a barrel, frame or receiver, slide or cylinder, bolt or breech block, and any device designed or adapted to diminish the sound caused by firing a firearm.
For the purposes of this Directive, "essential component" shall mean the barrel, frame, the receiver, including both upper and lower receivers, where appropriate, slide, cylinder, bolt or breech block which, being separate objects, are included in the category of the firearms on which they are or are intended to be mounted.
From Bolt+Barrel as regulated item, this was greatly expanded. Including previously unregulated uppers+lowers.

Member States shall establish a monitoring system, including the assessment of relevant medical and psychological information in accordance with national law, which may be on a continuous or non-continuous basis, for the acquisition and possession of firearms, and shall withdraw authorisations if any of the conditions on the basis of which the acquisition or possession was permitted are no longer met.
The maximum duration of an authorisation shall not exceed five years, unless Member States have implemented a system of continuous monitoring as referred to in the first subparagraph of Article 5(2). The authorisation may be renewed if the conditions on the basis of which it was granted are still fulfilled.
Monitoring of "legal owners", five year max duration between checks.


1. Member States shall take measures to ensure that automatic firearms converted into semi-automatic firearms from ... [the date of entry into force of this Amending Directive] cannot be reconverted into automatic firearms.
Ban of Full Auto weapons

7a. Semi-automatic firearms with centre fire percussion, and loading devices, with one or more of the following characteristics:



(a) long firearms (i.e. firearms that are originally intended to be fired from the shoulder) that can be reduced to a length of less than 60cm without losing functionality by means of a folding or telescoping stock;



(b) firearms which allow the firing of more than 21 rounds without reloading, if a loading device with a capacity exceeding 20 rounds is part of the firearm or is inserted into it;



In order to acquire a loading device, a corresponding firearm authorisation must be presented at the time of acquisition.”

De-Facto ban of:
- under 60cm(2ft) total lenght SBR
- mags exceeding 20 rounds
- firearms license required for magazine purchase
 

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Covers EU members, only? That's bad news for a lot of shooters in those countries.
 

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Maybe it's time to topple some governments over there.
 

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Say what you want about the NRA, but it's one of the few things standing between the U.S. citizens and a draconian law like we see here.
 

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So, EU gun laws are becoming more like ones in the US are currently or have been in the past? :380: SBR, AW mag ban, "military" features etc...

It looks like demilled, or decoration, guns will be hardest hit.
 

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the EU is a sham, at least the Brit's had the common sense to pull out of that train wreck. Sadly however, they already had gun laws that make this look like a poor attempt at gun laws....
 

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Say what you want about the NRA, but it's one of the few things standing between the U.S. citizens and a draconian law like we see here.
This. Very. Much.
Agree with the NRA's tactics and prejudices or not (I have some different opinions at times myself); becoming a life member today is a great way to show the nation how strongly the deplorable citizens want to keep their rights...
 

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Today the IMCO proposal for EU Gun "Reform" has passed the Parliament successfully.

This Red-Green disgrace of a law will now be put in effect within the next 12 months.

The actual text can be read here:

REPORT on the proposal for a directive of the European Parliament and of the Council amending Council Directive 91/477/EEC on control of the acquisition and possession of weapons - A8-0251/2016

What do you guys think?
baljar I'm sorry to see this for you all. Will anything be grandfathered? Is it for future purchases or is it retroactive so that they will confiscate items already in civi hands?


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(b) firearms which allow the firing of more than 21 rounds without reloading, if a loading device with a capacity exceeding 20 rounds is part of the firearm or is inserted into it;
Sounds like even a firearm that could take a 30rd mag could be affected, if they interpret like that. Any mag well that accepts mp5, AR, g36 mags seems to me like it would make the firearm banned, unless redesigned to prevent compatibility with common mags. I hope I am wrong about that though.

My question is would the laws affect exports, like parts kits or models we currently import?

At least HK is expanding over here, hoping if we see negative side effects that will get around them.

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I guess now we know what motivated HK to open production here (beyond all the reasons they already had which apparently weren't good enough).
 

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I'm in the process of buying two HK MP5s from another EU country (transformed to semi-auto as per French law). I hope that this doesn't complicate or stop the transfer.:540:
 

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the EU is a sham, at least the Brit's had the common sense to pull out of that train wreck. Sadly however, they already had gun laws that make this look like a poor attempt at gun laws....
You know, the funny part is the brits were VERY active in promoting this bill and pushing forward a gun ban. Funny enough that they are leaving the EU anyway, they made sure there was a carve out for the only thing legal there, rimfire weapons.

Gun owners in europe are really happy to finally get rid of the stupid uk with their constant attempts to ban guns "because we do not allow them either".
 

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I wonder what this means to Paco in Belgium and his mega-collection of functional military guns....?

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You know, the funny part is the brits were VERY active in promoting this bill and pushing forward a gun ban. Funny enough that they are leaving the EU anyway, they made sure there was a carve out for the only thing legal there, rimfire weapons.

Gun owners in europe are really happy to finally get rid of the stupid uk with their constant attempts to ban guns "because we do not allow them either".
I'm sure you are correct baljar, I hadn't thought of it that way when I made the original post. I recently attended some terrorism training put on by a guy from Poland. Anyway, as he presented the material, he also showed what a completely dysfunctional bureaucracy the EU is, etc... that was the first thing that came to mind when I read the orig post in this thread....

On a side he also talked about the inefficiency of the EU and how it can hamper LE and CT efforts.
 

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Sounds like even a firearm that could take a 30rd mag could be affected, if they interpret like that. Any mag well that accepts mp5, AR, g36 mags seems to me like it would make the firearm banned, unless redesigned to prevent compatibility with common mags. I hope I am wrong about that though.
Indeed. There is a specific article which nearly bans mags whose capacity exceeds 10 (!) for long guns. I said "nearly" since in theory it will stay possible to get 30 rounds mags with tons of justifications, with the participation to an official shooting practice that allows 30 rounds mags (3-gun is non-existent here, and same for IPSC rifle).

I'm mad those ****tards call that a fight against terrorism. 90% of the articles concern legal shooters. If you want my opinion, Big Brother is scared as hell by the existence of a civilian counter-power (even if it is so minimal in Europe). They're preparing the way to authoritarian governments and complete obedience of European populations.
 

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I am really suprised that a topic that affects gun legislation around 400 Million people including HK's home market gets moved from Talk to literally the last forum section on the list.

I suppose random ugly painted and chopped G3 variants are more important?
 

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I am really suprised that a topic that affects gun legislation around 400 Million people including HK's home market gets moved from Talk to literally the last forum section on the list.

I suppose random ugly painted and chopped G3 variants are more important?
That's probably because it's not a HK specific topic. HK Talk is for talking about HK related items.
 
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