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Hi guys, new member here.
I’m looking to purchase my first 9mm MP5 clone and I’m beyond confused.
I’ve narrowed down my confusion too two questions:

Question 1: Who still builds original MP5 clones? It seems to be Vector, and then Bobcat and everyone else who is selling re-branded Special Weapons version (same as bobcat?). Is this true? I know there are some good but discontinued H&K clones out there, but I don’t want to do a blind purchase online. (Been burned in the past) so I’m only looking at current production.

IF I get the Vector…
I was all set to buy the Vulcan Arms V94-201 Tactical, But I’ve been reading that the Vector Arms guns are more of a “project” than a purchase. Could anyone who has firsthand experience, with a CURRENT production, civilian, Vector give me some feedback on what to expect.

IF not…
I’m reading here that the Bobcat MP5 clone is pretty good. But there are a few drawbacks for me, mainly, wanted the collapsible stock and the built-in scope rail. So, after modification, it seems that the Bobcat is going to cost me about $400 for the stock and $300 for the “claw-type” scope mount. I’d like to avoid spending the extra $800 (that’s another gun!)
QUESTION: If I get the Bobcat, are there manufactures of less expensive versions of these parts and are they readily fitted to clone MP5s by a non-gunsmith?

Thanks guys. I know it’s a long post!
 

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I own Vector clones and they are nice builds, but few were ever made.

The Vulcans are junk, don't even waste your money.

Coharie Arms is about the only game in town. The reports on the more recent builds are fairly positive. I belive you can order it from them directly in whatever configuration you would like. I think they have an order backlog currently.

These scope mounts are about $130
http://www.robertrtg.com/hklowprofilescopemount.html
they are not claw mounts but very nice low profile mounts for an HK94 / MP5 style weapon.
 
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Thank you,

Is Coharie Arms still arround? I've heard that they are good guns, but cant find a web site for them. You you happen to have a link?
 
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Did Corarie Arms Inc. loose there web site?

The link listed on the flyer seems to take me to some other site.
I’m not too thrilled with buying one through an auction site, like gun broker.

Clones are kind of hit or miss and with auction sites you tend to find the ones that missed for sale.
 

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Did Corarie Arms Inc. loose there web site?

The link listed on the flyer seems to take me to some other site.
I’m not too thrilled with buying one through an auction site, like gun broker.

Clones are kind of hit or miss and with auction sites you tend to find the ones that missed for sale.
Nah, SW always takes some of the ones off the line and tries to sell them on Gunbroker, to maybe make a few more bucks and/or keep their product line as visible as possible. They have a nearly 100% positive feedback so I wouldn't worry about it much. But bear in mind, don't be in a hurry. It takes time. One of the members on here was frustrated because he wasn't getting responses on one that he won on GB, so he contacted me directly about what i thought. I just suggested that he take a few deep breathes and wait a while longer. He did, then he got it, and now he's happy that he had the patients.

Go ahead and do whatever your comfortable with though. That's what I'd do.
 

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When I sent them E-mails directly, they never replied back to my E-mails.
However, when I asked questions via gunbroker message system, they responed within a few hrs.
 

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I got my CA94 40 on GB early Dec '07. There was some issues. I emailed Special Weapons(Tactical Weapons, Bobcat, Coharie) and they responded. I called them and got a return shipping label. They are currently taking care of the issues and I don't mind waiting a little longer as long as everything gets taken care of. The overall build quality was better than I expected, the welds were good and the finish was smooth and even. The owner of these companies told me in a phone conversation that he stands behind his weapons 110%.

You need to remember that HK94's have not been imported since 1989 and the supply and demand drives all prices up including HK94 clones. That being said, the clones work for the most part out of the box for about $1200. You may find yourself having to swap out some parts in order to make your clone run better(stop FTF's, FTE's, etc...). One thing I really like about the 40 and 10mm clones is the bolt hold open device. You can't get this with the 9's.

As for accessories I tried looking for clone A3 stocks and didn't find any in stock or available. You're better off buying an HK A3 stock used or new from an HKpro member like I did. They are an investment but seem to hold their value if kept in good condition. Low profile mounts are also a good investment if going the red dot route. I have read that most people swap out there "Navy" lower for an original HK lower but the stock lower works. People also swap out the plastic cocking tube for the HK metal tube but again the plastic tube works.

The clones are the closest thing to an HK 40/10mm as you will get unless you buy a clone receiver($500-600) and an HK parts kit($1200-1900) and then have someone build it for you($more money). You can do the math.

After you setup your clone the way you want you realize you have spent around $2000-$3000. Funny how that happens. For around $3300 you can get a nice HK94(only in 9mm) then start adding accessories and you spend around $3600-$4500). Add SD option $2000. If you want to then add a sear that will be another $10k-15k.

Hope this helps with your decision.
 

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Find a Vector. There weren't that many made. So they are hard to find. But they are regarded as the best clones made to date.

If you ever decide to SBR it, you can just mail it back to Vector and have them repaper it as a SBR. No engraving or having your name and info on the gun forever.

This is the same VECTOR who Made UZI's and other machine guns. They know what they are doing and stand behind their guns. If their name is on it they take care of it no matter who owns it currently.
 

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I have a Vector MP5k clone and a CA94 MP5 clone.

The Vector is def. better all around, even with the after market parts such as bolt, carrier etc.

On the other hand the MP5 clone coharie is a dead on in the area of looking just like a HK and the HK A3 stock fits perfectly which tells me they are producing the recievers perfectly in spec.

After I fixed a few select parts the CA94 runs 100 percent even when I abuse the crap out it like bad weather shooting and not cleaning it but for every 800-1000 rounds.

So go with the Coharie and use the cheaper price to buy German internals like the bolt, carrier ejector etc.
 

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I'm curious too, I've always wanted an MP5 but didn't know there were readily available civy versions until the last few weeks (and have been reading HKpro, Arfcom, and HK94 non stop.)

I saw the CA94 (current forerunner in my mind), MK5s (more expensive but very tempting), and a parts kit. I'd be interested in a parts kit because I'm really starting to appreciate firearms for the technical value as well as the shooting aspect. My only concern is the amount of skill which it takes.

I've built an AR-15, but that seems to be a long way from building an MP5/clone. How much does it usually cost to have a parts kit built? How much skill does it take to assemble one? I'd like to get my money's worth of reliability, and it seems that a kit built on a reciever would be the best choice, but cost and convenience are deff a factor.

Also, what CA94 parts should be replaced and how much would that cost. In addition to the stock CA94 I'd want to add a tele-stock, and SF foregrip, so keeping cost down is important.
 

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I'm curious too, I've always wanted an MP5 but didn't know there were readily available civy versions until the last few weeks (and have been reading HKpro, Arfcom, and HK94 non stop.)

I saw the CA94 (current forerunner in my mind), MK5s (more expensive but very tempting), and a parts kit. I'd be interested in a parts kit because I'm really starting to appreciate firearms for the technical value as well as the shooting aspect. My only concern is the amount of skill which it takes.

I've built an AR-15, but that seems to be a long way from building an MP5/clone. How much does it usually cost to have a parts kit built? How much skill does it take to assemble one? I'd like to get my money's worth of reliability, and it seems that a kit built on a reciever would be the best choice, but cost and convenience are deff a factor.

Also, what CA94 parts should be replaced and how much would that cost. In addition to the stock CA94 I'd want to add a tele-stock, and SF foregrip, so keeping cost down is important.
Fact of the matter is... you might not actually need to change out any parts on the CA94 at all. A lot of people like to change out parts on clones, especially earlier ones as they needed some parts upgraded. But the newest CA line seems to be in pretty good shape right out of the box.

If I were planning on eventually going with FA then I might buy a kit and have it built up, but it still might be cheaper to just buy a CA and then switch out the Bolt carrier later. If you buy a sear, it'll probably come already in a trigger pack. So the FA carrier and a 3/4 position grip would set you back about $300-$400.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.
 

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Fact of the matter is... you might not actually need to change out any parts on the CA94 at all. A lot of people like to change out parts on clones, especially earlier ones as they needed some parts upgraded. But the newest CA line seems to be in pretty good shape right out of the box.

If I were planning on eventually going with FA then I might buy a kit and have it built up, but it still might be cheaper to just buy a CA and then switch out the Bolt carrier later. If you buy a sear, it'll probably come already in a trigger pack. So the FA carrier and a 3/4 position grip would set you back about $300-$400.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.
Thanks! Interestingly I saw this forum first when I was like 11 and thought the pictures of those never-released camo HK rifles. Oh, and "the final countdown" MIDI playing in the background.

As for F/A, really no desire. I couldn't afford ammo, and I'm getting married in Jan. Already looking to buy an MP-clone for a self-graduation present and start a long term AR build for commemorating my army commission at the end of the summer. So i think telling the future Mrs. that I spent 14K on a sear pack would be a bad idea.

So you think a CA94 would be the best choice?
 

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Thanks! Interestingly I saw this forum first when I was like 11 and thought the pictures of those never-released camo HK rifles. Oh, and "the final countdown" MIDI playing in the background.

As for F/A, really no desire. I couldn't afford ammo, and I'm getting married in Jan. Already looking to buy an MP-clone for a self-graduation present and start a long term AR build for commemorating my army commission at the end of the summer. So i think telling the future Mrs. that I spent 14K on a sear pack would be a bad idea.

So you think a CA94 would be the best choice?
It's about the only thing you're gonna touch for the $1k range. Next up is the Professional Arms MK5. Think of it as the next generation of the MP5, with debatable heritage (depending on who your're talking to). It's about $2,200 and comes with an approximate 12 month waiting period.

There are bobcat and vector clones in between those two (price-wise) but unless they've already had HK components added, I'd not pick them over the new series from Coharie. Opinions vary on this so I'm not the last word.

Then you've got to go up in the $3k range for an actual HK94. And I'd probably not want to shoot it, as it's a collector's weapon.

So in my mind it comes down to the CA or the MK, depending on what you want, how much you can afford, and how long you can wait. JMHO.
 

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I think the Coharie line is pretty good.
 

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Why in the world would anyone choose to go with the cohaire line when it is backed but Todd Bailey? He changed the name and started a new company because of all the past problems and how that information spread. So some of the latest guns have not sucked. Some of the Special Weapons guns were fine as well.

The few Vector 9mm clones are over $2k when and if you can find them now. Whoever stated the earlier pricing was wrong. All of those guns are sear ready as well.

The MK5 remains to be seen. It's like that hk45 compact with the threaded barrel.....
 

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crypdy - How many HK's do you own? How many clones do you own? How many dealing have you had with TB? You're ridiculous. I own 1 bobcat and 2vectors and 1 CA. I like them all equally well and I wouldn't have any of them if it wasn't for him. I sure as hell am not going to pay 10k-20k for a gun who's manufacture price point is around 1K-2.5k on the open market.

So go spew somewhere else. Most of us are tired of this crap.


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To be honest, Im actually tired of the drama myself. I own several clones all of which come from the same source, whether directly or not. To be super honest, all of my CA have run out of the box. To be super super honest, I have even tried the CA mags and they worked. You see, there is something seriously wrong with the internet and the hype it can generate. The MAIN problem is that no one really praises anything. You only get the odd man out who got a lemon. He is mad and he is really ready to let the world know how he has been wronged. Or you get the guy who is so freakin detail oriented that every little detail of nerdy perfection needs to be pointed out, blown up and out of proportion, and scrutinized. Here's the real deal...you want a HK MP5 gun manufactured by HK, spend the 3,500 bucks it's going to cost you if you're lucky. I'll take that 3,500 and buy 2, some mags, some ammo, maybe some porn and take the old lady out for a nice meal or two. Actually, scratch that...i'll just buy three. The CA line is good to go from my experience. I own several. You can come out to MN and shoot em. I'll take em apart and you can see the CA internals. We can sit around, have a few beers and I'll explain to you why the hatred needs to stop.
 

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Just what Twisted said. I've owned 2 HK94. sw5, vector 40, bobcat pdw, ca89k, 2 sw sp-10. and several receivers to save for a rainy day. I've had a problem with one gun and that was with the sw5, FTE and FTF. I got that fixed but if anybody can swing the money buy HK. If you can't then don't afraid to buy a CA. Just my .02
 
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