Ultra cool PDW, but the foldup sight is the usual mess, try to raise it if your optic fail, and you will have a hell of a burn.

However the concept is really cool, the stock is awesome.

 

See this

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111490

 

Really REALLY COOL. Am liking the direction that Hk is taking on some of their products and encourage them to do even more.

I'd just toss the stock and call it a "pistol". Seen really crummy AR "pistols" sold in NJ w/ buffer tube sticking out & short bbl.

Why not a HQ piece like this Hk? I could by-pass ALOT of bans and BS if it were a "pistol". I posted my photochopped pics of what that hypothetical Hk 'pistol' might look like before. Heck Sig already does these "pistols".

P.S.

Just for kixx. Here's my idea of a "pistol" version, w/ even more reduction in bbl length.

BEFORE:

AFTER:

 

I love SBR's, could that be done to the MR's?

 

i'd almost take a ca-415 to a machine shop for the rail, swap it over with a noveske barrel, and find some shorter op rod (g36c?), and try testing the waters from there...

416 uppers are too expensive to try this kinda work to =(

as far as the stock, it looks like the upper is modified a little bit for the stock sliders


Btw they have detailed pics now!!

 

 

Oh now that looks pleasant to shoot with the 9" barrel and the wire stock with conical nose breaker back plate. Can we get this in 7.62x51mm NATO too?

Why not just offer them the L22A2 (SA80A2) Carbine that is shorter than this "rifle" at 22.5" OL and has a @ 2X longer (17.5") barrel?


G3Kurz

 

^^^

My thought's exactly.

Quite frankly the LAST thing I want is a "Personal Defense Weapon" in 5.56. Up close, and from a short barrel, 5.56 is just a bad choice.

At 100yds, 5.56 is adequate, but at 10yds it's going through like a sewing needle, and its not going to inflict the damage or impart the energy of even a 9mm.

It just seems like a solution to problem that doesn't exist.

 

Yeah, but given the opportunity to buy this thing, I wouldn't pass it up! I'm really liking it a lot!

 

Daug:

Then you will like the new SIG516 which will be offered to the public at the 2010 SHOT Show early next year - it will hve a operator exchangeable stock system (fixed, folding, sliding) with no buffer tube to get in the way or knock your teeth out. Anyone ever fire a US M231 Port Firing Weapon? - and M16 with a short barrel and wire stock for the fightin vehicle ports - not fun to shoot from the shoulder due to the buffer housing and wire stock.

G3Kurz

 

After speaking with one of the HK defense reps at the AUSA show today I was able to learn that this sub-carbine was made-up for the U.K. MOD and there are only 6 or 7 in existence. The rep also shared that there is a lot of uncertainty as to it's chances of production given posable mechanical/design issues and a limited demand in the market for this type of weapon.

*edit*
They did not have one on display.

 

I'm not a big fan of super short barrels like that (you're better off using an MP5), but it does look cool. Still, I'd rather have one with a 14.5 inch barrel, if I wanted to go more compact than the standard length.

 

A good reason for a PDW in rifle caliber is because people like to hide behind things...and sometimes wear body armor.

With the advent of reliable carbines and PDWs with modern mk262 5.56 ammo, we will probably see the submachine gun become more of a rarity.

 

I'd like to bump this thread. LWRC came out with the 6.8SPC PDW for a pending contract with the Saudis according to the Recoil mag issue #1 so this PDW with a rifle round concept is something that is gaining in popularity. I remember reading up on this thread on one of the many searches I've done on this forum and would like to do one myself. The first thing I need to acquire is a 416/556 carrier... after that I'll post my progress on another thread as I get the information. A buddy of mine that turned down the carrier to work on his PWS set up so it can be done.

Comments, concerns and discussion... 1... 2... 3... GO!

 

Comments, concerns and discussion... 1... 2... 3... GO!

I read through this and can't help but notice the people disagreeing with this concept or suggesting the use of a smaller caliber sub guns. The PDWs are marketed and designed for PSD type ops. If I'm in a vehicle and we get disabled, I want my weapon up and be out of their as quick as possible...an m4 is too cumbersome to allow that. Not too mention being able to conceal it if we are on foot or you are posted somewhere and trying to be discreet.

Now, why not use a MP5 or some other sub gun? Because now you have the ability to get rifle caliber ballistics and range in something small and easily concealable. Other than "noise" and felt recoil there really isn't a drawback. The bolt carrier itself is modified to act as the buffer so to speak, so it isn't an egregious amount of recoil. They redesigned it to compensate for its shortness.

Now with that being said, 5.56 wouldn't be my first choice either. The ill fated "honey badger" would make the most sense. A round (300blk) that is designed to work well in short barrels and offers reduced chance of over penetration yet plenty of ooomph at close range. Not to mention the ability to suppress without having to adjust anything (not sure how 416 works but we have to adjust piston on our M6's if we add the can). If I recall AAC were the ones to really pioneer this design...

 

It's not a pending contract. It's a mostly filled contract. And I actually have one of the few semi auto versions of this weapon. The weapon, caliber and ammo specs are all tightly interwoven. The gun is actually pretty easy to control and fairly hard hitting, despite the short barrel. It strikes me as being a niche weapon, though. At this stage of the game, HK needs to stay focused on their own niches. IMHO, of course.

 

Yep. But one thing I like about the 6.8 round is that it was designed from the beginning to work well from short barrels. The powders used are generally faster-burning and an SBR pays less of a penalty regarding its ballistics than does the 5.56 loadings. Even if it is a niche weapon, if I had to choose between a 5.56 or a 6.8 ultra-short PDW weapon, I'd chose the 6.8 every time. And I am not one who bashes 5.56.

 

I'm all for it but finding HK parts will be impossible so do share what's the next best thing because I've been dreaming of this beauty since I saw her last year!

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Oh very much agreed

 

That is some fun, CQB equipment!!!

Tony

 

Absolutely!

I read through this and can't help but notice the people disagreeing with this concept or suggesting the use of a smaller caliber sub guns. The PDWs are marketed and designed for PSD type ops. If I'm in a vehicle and we get disabled, I want my weapon up and be out of their as quick as possible...an m4 is too cumbersome to allow that. Not too mention being able to conceal it if we are on foot or you are posted somewhere and trying to be discreet.

Now, why not use a MP5 or some other sub gun? Because now you have the ability to get rifle caliber ballistics and range in something small and easily concealable. Other than "noise" and felt recoil there really isn't a drawback. The bolt carrier itself is modified to act as the buffer so to speak, so it isn't an egregious amount of recoil. They redesigned it to compensate for its shortness.

Now with that being said, 5.56 wouldn't be my first choice either. The ill fated "honey badger" would make the most sense. A round (300blk) that is designed to work well in short barrels and offers reduced chance of over penetration yet plenty of ooomph at close range. Not to mention the ability to suppress without having to adjust anything (not sure how 416 works but we have to adjust piston on our M6's if we add the can). If I recall AAC were the ones to really pioneer this design...

Yup AAC is the "Honey Badger" originators in 300blk. The only thing I'm not too crazy about in regard to their set up is, The 300blk really shines when shot through a SBR and suppressed. For as awesome as that set up might look, some people seem to think the SD look works well.... as well all know heat is a huge factor when shooting suppressed and I want my hand nowhere near the suppressor when shooting rifle rounds.

I'm all for it but finding HK parts will be impossible so do share what's the next best thing because I've been dreaming of this beauty since I saw her last year!

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Yup agreed on the HK parts. They're 3 companies making PDW stock systems, they're all the NEA CCS concept but with their own twist. Of the three, only 2 of them sell the stock kits; Troy and NEA. I have a couple NEAs but their finish isn't the greatest and the carrier seems a little cheap IMHO. I'd like to buy and compare them both for you guys here. The 3rd company only offers their's on their completed rifles, I like the stock section on their's because it's a little smaller. I've sent an email hoping to see if they'll sell one individually so hopefully they'll be willing. The only real mod is turning down the bolt so the spring can slide over and fit inside the "cap" section of the PDW stock. I'd really like for Dakota Tactical to finally release the 300blk barrel they've been gauging interest in so I'd have a HK300 PDW(Just named it... sounds cool to me). The other issue is buffer springs but that doesn't seem like a total project killer.

It's not a pending contract. It's a mostly filled contract. And I actually have one of the few semi auto versions of this weapon. The weapon, caliber and ammo specs are all tightly interwoven. The gun is actually pretty easy to control and fairly hard hitting, despite the short barrel. It strikes me as being a niche weapon, though. At this stage of the game, HK needs to stay focused on their own niches. IMHO, of course.

That's nice! I contacted LWRC directly to inquire about the bolt carrier and spring for their 6.8SPC because I'd like to play with some springs for my PWS 5.56, 7.62x39 and 300blk. Since the 3 calibers all use the same bolt carrier, I'll just mod 2 of them and swap out the bolts when needed. LWRC is at full production with their PDW, so individual parts will not be for sale until they catch up. Absolutely agree on your last statement btw.

 

HK300PDW.... I like it!

Keep me posted on your progress.


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I like the concept of a 300 blackout hk416c if they could work out the reliability issues. For CPD, mounted, or low pro work. Saw Jason's 416c and it was a great weapon. At this point though I don't think HK would bump tge a5 and beyond upgrades into the platform.


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I got super excited, then I saw this was from 2009

 

I know what you mean but hopefully the 416C is there still. If it is, they will enjoy it as much as we did!


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So I am actually in the process of making a 416C style clone.

I have a legit TROY PDW Stock kit that I found on accident from an online dealer. I have sent the TROY BCG with my MR556 BCG to Jayson at IGF to have it modded to match the Troy BCG. The Troy BCG has a built in buffer that Jayson is also going to fabricate for me and leave hollow so that I can add tunsgen powder to add mass to the system as needed. Once that is all done, I'm going to have his long waited adjustable gas blocks installed to tune the gas for optimum function with the shorter system.

Here is a pic of the 2 BCG side by side.

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Close up of the rear end. The front cut out needs to be extended. Otherwise, I would need a 416 BCG.

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I call it a 416C STYLE clone because I am going to leave my upper as a 10.4" upper. I dont want to mess with the piston set up. So it will be a 10.4" upper on a 416C style lower.

 

PM on the way.

I like the concept of a 300 blackout hk416c if they could work out the reliability issues. For CPD, mounted, or low pro work. Saw Jason's 416c and it was a great weapon. At this point though I don't think HK would bump tge a5 and beyond upgrades into the platform.


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The "problem" with the 300blk is barrel length vs round. Another guy on this forum contacted AAC to discuss barrel options and apparently AAC has done work on a 300blk barrel for the MR.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk416-hk...hk416-hk417-hq/205982-mr556-can-you-dissemble-gas-rod-assembly-shorten-one.html

 

I've got me a Troy PDW stock on the way, I am going to put it (of course after SBR'ing legally) on a HK/Umerex 416 .22 pistol. I was going to SBR it anyway (to put a stock on) but after seeing this thread the PDW stock on one of the .22 416 pistols would be cool as hell and have a very close look to the 416c since the .22 416 barrel is shorter than the carbine version .22 416. Since the .22s don't have a buffer I think the stock would just screw on where the extension would minus the internals. I was going to just put the pistol upper on my .22 416 rifle lower and have a almost copy (the .22 pistols have the shorter barrel than 10") of my MR556 10.4" 5.56 but this sounds like a much more fun project.

 

Update: We (disclosure: All legal manufacturer/SOT/Class III) experimented with my idea of using the 416 .22 "pistol" and installing the Troy PDW stock for an easy, fun-clone 416c. We determined it was not as easy as simply installing the stock due to the non-standard extension on the Umerex 416 .22 pistol. With some work it is possible but it is not simply an easy install-just wanted to share my intel for anyone exploring the idea.

 

Very interested in seeing the outcome from the work by IGF. If it works I will do this to a spare MR556.

 

Shoot this at a demo. They were having problems with the recoil system. I did have any problem or seen anybody else that had a problem, but I over heard them talking

 

edho2002; I know it has only been a few weeks, curious if there has been any development in you project? I am very intrigured.

 

Jayson quoted me about a month to get the work completed so I have a couple more weeks left before I can get it back in my hands to test out. With the holiday coming up so soon I would not be surprise if I get the e-mail from him in early or mid Dec.

I'll get photos up when I get it back.

 

Tagged, I'd like to see some of these projects completed with posted results. Good luck fellas.