New "Saudi" P2000 and Euro USP9C

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Speedy2015

Discussion Starter · Mar 13, 2017

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Well, Christmas really has come early this year. Along with all the March snow, my DeadAir Sandman-S stamp came back, AND the very next day I was able to pick up both of my new HK's. Initial impressions are below.

P2000-This is a very cool gun. I like the look of the Euro frame, trigger guard and 16rd mags. This gun just fits my hand perfectly. I was considering leaving it NIB....but those thoughts are long gone. Can't wait to shoot it!! The only problem is going to be finding other 16rd and some 13rd mags that fit the gun. But I probably wouldn't carry it anyways due to how rare these guns are over here. Most likely I'll enjoy shooting it every once in a while and make sure she is nice and clean when she goes back into the safe.

USP9C-I have always wanted one of these guns. I had my eye open for a stainless one to convert to LEM so when this factory light LEM popped up for such a great price, I jumped on it. The factory trigger is AMAZING! This gun is going to be shot a bunch and most likely put in the carry rotation. Just gotta decide if I like the safety or remove it. None of my other guns have a safety....that's to be decided later though. As others have mentioned, the factory hammer spring is red....very strange. It feels like a match/LEM trigger though.

One question-What do all the letters on the box mean after the description of the USP9C? I included a pic so you can see...after LEM it says "BEIDS.S". Thanks for reading!

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JonFrost

· #2 · Mar 13, 2017

Very, very cool!! Congrats!!

navyman8903

· #3 · Mar 13, 2017

Very interesting indeed. I didn't even know they made that P2000 like that, you learn something new every day I guess.

Bronzie

· #4 · Mar 13, 2017

I'm not tracking on the "Saudi" thing. Is that due to the 16 round mag or something?

bjo71

· #5 · Mar 13, 2017

I agree, the Factory LEM trigger on those classic usp9c's are really good. I have been carrying mine often.

Universal

· #6 · Mar 13, 2017

Love the UsPc.. great buy. enjoy them.

Speedy2015

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 13, 2017

Bronzie said:
I'm not tracking on the "Saudi" thing. Is that due to the 16 round mag or something?

It's a European framed P2000 from a cancelled Saudi contract is my understanding. I would post a link but I'm not sure how on my phone. It's in the "heads up" section. The original P2000s were made with slimmer frames and took different mags. I believe they have stopped making the frames like this and gone to the US frame (that takes the USP9C mag) across the board.

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Crashmc

· #8 · Mar 13, 2017

They cancelled that contract for the P2000 back in AH . What is the date code on the frame ?

Speedy2015

Discussion Starter · #9 · Mar 13, 2017

New "Saudi" P2000 and Euro USP9C

Crashmc said:
They cancelled that contract for the P2000 back in AH . What is the date code on the frame ?

AE frame date code....you know any more about the contract? I tried to find some information but couldn't....

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Blue9

· #10 · Mar 13, 2017

Very cool! It is pretty amazing that HK is able to crank out versions that are this different for a contract. I know $ talks, but that is not a small undertaking, especially when you consider the additional engineering and QC that would be required to make sure the pistols are up to HK standards.

glow

· #11 · Mar 13, 2017

Blue9 said:
Very cool! It is pretty amazing that HK is able to crank out versions that are this different for a contract. I know $ talks, but that is not a small undertaking, especially when you consider the additional engineering and QC that would be required to make sure the pistols are up to HK standards.

Well, it was called the Euro P2000 because that was the original version (created for a contract in Germany). By the time they decided to export to the US, HK wisely decided to modify the frame to fit USPc magazines and come with a more standardized rail design.

That being said, I do like the slightly chamfered front end of the Euro P2000 slide (near the accessory rail area). HK would explore that design idea more thoroughly with the P30.

dukeyjoe

· #12 · Mar 13, 2017

glow said:
Well, it was called the Euro P2000 because that was the original version (created for a contract in Germany). By the time they decided to export to the US, HK wisely decided to modify the frame to fit USPc magazines and come with a more standardized rail design.

That being said, I do like the slightly chamfered front end of the Euro P2000 slide (near the accessory rail area). HK would explore that design idea more thoroughly with the P30.

Actually Glow, a lot of these were imported and most sent back and refitted with the new P2000US frames. The Brady Bill forced the new design. HK tried to modified the mags, so that they would meet the US regs, but got a no-go and had to send the pistols back (all but a few, anyways). Then they designed a new lower for the US market and sold them with 10 rd. mags. The US pistol is wider and accepts the USP compact mags. The Euro pistol, to me , is a much better pistol. It has a better feel, to my hands, than my US P2000. The R&D went into the original design and it shows, both, aesthetically and in function. IMHO, we ended up with a quicky and didn't even get a reach around!

Some of the GPMs that had been sent back across the pond got the new US frames and a letter of authenticity before being sent back stateside. Here's a old thread about it http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/132694-european-p2000-gpm-owners-previous-owners-people-pics.html

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Bronzie

· #13 · Mar 13, 2017

Thanks for the explanation. I take it that the two dimples in the underside of the frame are the giveaway that it is a GPM 2000 model? And the beveled
slide?

Speedy2015

Discussion Starter · #14 · Mar 14, 2017 (Edited)

New "Saudi" P2000 and Euro USP9C

Bronzie said:
Thanks for the explanation. I take it that the two dimples in the underside of the frame are the giveaway that it is a GPM 2000 model? And the beveled
slide?

Yup. That and the angled trigger guard...and also the elephant foot mag. Well...the elephant foot mags will fit a normal p2000 and usp9c with a very slight modification, but they will be a little loose in the mag well as they are skinnier than the usp9c magazines.

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AGG

· #15 · Mar 14, 2017

Congratulations on the nice acquisitions!!! :biggrin:

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