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Hi everyone!

I'm a long time lurker and finally I decided to register and start posting... mostly because I finally got my new Vector MP5/40 clone yesterday and I had a few questions for those who might know. While I was waiting to be approved to post I posted these same questions on ARFCom, but have not received much feedback. I was also going to try and post these on "that other HK forum" run by "the one who shall not be named" but for some reason I can't sign up over there... I signed up weeks ago but have never been "approved" to post. Oh well...

Here are a few things I'm looking to learn:

- All the research and looking I did before ordering this rifle led me to believe I was going to get a Coharie Arms rifle marked with their logo. The rifle I received is only marked Vector Arms with no mention of Coharie anywhere on it. It lists it's model number as a V94 even though the model number on my invoice from Vector is a CA-5. It's serial number leads me to believe it may be an earlier vintage rifle (it says R50 but then has a sub 150 serial number). I assume this is still a Coharie, built by Coharie, but with only the Vector name on it? Or is this the way all Vector MP5/40 clones come? I thought the V94 was their 9mm model?

- This rifle is one of the "full size" carbines with the A2 stock and the fake suppressor on it. I bought this guy to be SBR'ed (getting ready to send my paperwork in... waiting on a field test of this before committing) and after looking at the fake suppressor I *think* I see how I'm supposed to remove it, but has anyone here done this themselves? Might you have any advice for getting it off the easiest way without doing any unnecessary damage to the three lug underneath? Also is there any chance this rifle might have a threaded tip underneath the fake suppressor? I could have sworn I read somewhere that some of these fake suppressor carbines shipped with threads under the fake can... or are all the fake suppressor carbines shipped with a standard three lug?

- This rifle came with what appears to be a cut down plastic SEF G3 lower and it appears to be "clipped and pinned"... except it does not have the faked lower pin on either side of the housing. From my research I was expecting a navy pictogram style lower like the kind shown on Vector's website and I kind of still want one of those (to complete the "look" of an actual MP5/40)... but my initial research has led me to believe the SEF lower's trigger pack cannot be adapted to a navy style pictogram lower and that I'm pretty much stuck with this SEF lower... unless I buy a whole new semi auto trigger pack along with a new C&P navy pictogram ambi lower. Is this correct? Failing swapping this SEF lower for a navy pictogram lower, does anyone know where I can get a pre-cut lower pin that I can glue into this lower? It just looks strange without the faked pin in place. Also this lower seems to have no play in it... from what I have read almost all HK94/MP5 clones have some slight play in the lower. Should this be a point of concern?

- Does anyone know if the black plastic Coharie Arms clone .40 cal magazines are in spec with original HK .40 cal magazines? Can the parts interchange between them? I ask because I've noticed that these clone mags do not seem to be completely metal lined, they appear that they are simply plastic with a metal insert along the back spine. I saw that HKSpecialist.net has original HK .40 cal magazine bodies that are metal lined in stock. If those truly are completely metal lined can I buy those mag bodies and use these clone mag guts on them to make myself some metal lined magazines?

Last Question, I swear...

- It appears to me that the bolt stop lever on this Vector clone is larger and of different proportions than the real HK MP5/40 bolt stop levers I have seen... I know that HK has A3 telestocks with cutouts on the left side rail to clear their make of bolt stop lever but will an A3 telestock that is made to fit the HK MP5/40 fit this clone and clear the clone's seemingly larger bolt stop lever?

Overall the fit and finish of this rifle is pretty good. After reading all I could about the Vector/Coharie clones online I was on the fence if I should spend that much on something that *might* wind up being a galactic piece of crap but I put my faith in Vector (I own a Vector Uzi and am quite happy with it) and placed my order. I have not had it to the range yet to test it out... but cycling the action manually and examining all I can on the rifle leads me to believe it will work fine. Then again from what I've read all the people who have had trouble thought the same things.

Thanks in advance for any help on these questions!
 

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Can you post some pictures of this rifle with the ser# v94 and logo ? you have peaked my intrest ! The v 94 has completly thown me off along with the vector logo unless they are now making these and not coharie which I heard they planned on doing!
The v94 was a 9mm mp5 thing and maybe they had some left over receivers I dont know ! You might be a beta tester AND DON'T KNOW IT.

My guess would be if it has a vector stamp it's made by vector and not coharie!

Getting the fake can off just take a dremel tool and remove the small weld pull the little pin out twist and pull off after form 1.

Theaded 3 lug no way! But I have been wrong before :)

You don't want the coharie navy ambi lower unless you want it to fall apart in your hand Like mine did !

None of the factory mags are metal lined only the feed lips You can buy complete factory mags from Gordon miller for about 55 each just call him !

If you bought it from vector don't worry about it they stand behind what the sell 100% .

Ray
 

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your .40 was built by the unmentionable and sold to vector. they didn't realize how substandard the guns were going to be. they are doing thier best to fix any flaws that the gun has before the customer receives them. i thought the word clone meant duplicated to the same specks. i wish the clone gun builders would take pride in what they call hk or even wanna be hk and made in the u.s.a
 

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My photographic skills and camera suck but here are some photos of the only markings on the rifle:



As you can see, the upper "spine" area has only the serial number which is R50 1-- (blocked for obvious reasons). No other markings on the top of the receiver.



The right side of the receiver at the magwell simply says "Vector Arms, North Salt Lake Utah V94" and nothing else... no logos, no graphics. Just simple typeface.



The flip side of the receiver at the magwell just plainly says ".40 S&W" in the same simple font as the Vector markings on the other side.

Some further background on this rifle for those who want to know:

I called Vector back before Christmas and inquired about ordering a CA-5 carbine. I spoke with "Kat" and she handled my order. I requested my carbine to be engraved with my info if they could do that because I intended to SBR it shortly. She said not a problem and quoted me the extra charges involved. I agreed, placed my order for the carbine with the engraving plus two extra mags. Some time went by and I emailed them asking about it's status and was told that it was being "engraved and refinished" and would ship shortly. I thought nothing of it. More time passed and I received a phone call from "Kat" informing me that they did not have the machine to engrave the receiver because it was "at a radius" so they had to send it out of house to be engraved and that added more time. I had no problem with that, my exact words to her were "As long as I receive a carbine that looks good and works good I can wait as long as it takes".

Just this past week it arrived and I picked it up. Upon inspecting it I discovered that it did not have the Coharie logo on it as well as all the other strange markings / parts. A friend of mine who owns one of Vector's V53's says his V53 has the SAME parts (SEF lower, G3 sight, etc.) and it has the same style markings. He thought that perhaps for some reason this carbine was made in house by Vector rather than Coharie because of the engraving I requested. I'm no expert but this carbine seems very, very well put together compared to other special weapons rifles I have seen. Someone took a lot of care with this carbine for me ensuring it looked very nice. I have no idea how it shoots yet as it is freezing here in Saint Louis and I have not had time to go to an indoor range.

As it stands right now I'm very pleased with this rifle... if it shoots as good as it looks I'll be a happy camper. The only "changes" I want to make to it are mostly cosmetic, trying to make it look more like a "real" MP5/40... but I'd gladly keep this SEF lower if it's superior. I just need to fashion a fake pin for it as the empty holes bug me. Oh and I need to replace the rear sight with a real MP5 sight and I'd like to get a A3 telestock for it... but as I asked above I'm not sure if the HK cutout stocks will fit this seemingly large bolt stop lever.
 

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I am planning to but one too

Please post with updates on your new toy. I was planning to but one within 3 weeks. can't decide to roll the dice on the vector or bobcat BW5-FSA. I will await your messages, ie when you actually shoot it. Good luck.
 

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I have the same Vector .40 as a pistol.

Put my registered sear pack in it and it ran perfect the first time out. Zero issues. I thought .40 would have more recoil than 9mm but they are indistinguishable.... My bud's 10mm has a little more punch to it.

You can't go wrong either way-- 9 or .40. 9mm is cheaper ammo though and parts are more plentiful/cheaper...
 

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my friend has the same coherie mp5/40 when he removed the fake can the barrel was threaded and 3 lugged. it took several months for us to locate a flash hider and finally found at knob creek. the only issue i found with his are the mags are starting get all chewed up around the lip and the plastic is breaking off. i told him to buy some real ones. by the way his lower is a pictogram style that has been clipped and pinned.
 

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I've discovered the plastic mag "chew" as well, and I've only owned this thing for about three days now.

On one of my magazines it seems the follower is getting slightly chewed up at the tiny "notch" where I assume the bolt rides up and over. I discovered that if you put in an empty magazine, it was almost impossible to pull back the charging handle... which normally moves like butter when there is no mag in. I discovered that the bolt is kind of hanging up on the plastic follower in the magazine and started chewing up one of the followers... so I immediately stopped trying to pull back the charging handle with empties in the rifle.

Also the sides, front and back of these plastic mags are starting to show scrapes from the magwell already. The magwell is *tight* on this carbine... not so tight that you can't get the mags in and out but just tight enough that when you insert a mag you have to give it a nice solid "thump" on it's base to seat it. Removing them is not that bad though, I've simply been pushing in the lever and yanking them out with not much effort. But it seems this motion is causing some rubbing marks to appear on the mags where they insert and I assume it is only going to get worse (which was a reason I was interested in the possibility of full metal lined mags like Glock mags if they where available, just to have some extra rigidity in case the plastic got weakened from scraping in and out of the magwell).
 

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I would think that "rub marks" would be normal on any mag....think about it.

Does this not make sense?


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I know marks are inevitable on magazines, but these three clone plastic mags I got just seem to be "wearing" down awfully fast. This is really the first rifle I've owned that runs purely plastic magazines (I own AR's, AK's, an Uzi, etc. etc.) and they just seem to be scuffing pretty bad really fast. Especially the one that's follower got chewed on by the bolt.

I dunno... I just get the vibe that these clone mags are made out of sub par plastics. They just feel "cheap". Then again my only frame of reference are my Glock mags, which are years old at this point and heavily used and they don't have the same rub and scrape wear level on them that these brand new clone mags have after just three days of me fiddling with them putting them in and pulling them out. Then again those are plastic mags going into a plastic grip... this Vector is plastic going into metal, and very tight metal at that.

Edit: I should probably also bring up that I am very gentle with my weapons. I mostly have them as a collection rather than for tactical or practical uses. I try to keep them and their accessories in as good of shape as I can... so it kind of bugs me when a rifle has magazines that almost seem like they are intended to scuff and tear up with "normal use". But as I said I'm most likely spoiled by too many years of metal bodied mags.
 

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I would think that some wear would be normal, but probably not like you are describing. It wouldn't surprise me if they are sub-standard given they are clone mags. I would go with original mags if I were you. Maybe a few more $$$, but probably well worth it in the end.

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High on my list of "need to get" parts are some real HK mags. I posted in the want to buy section in case anyone reading this has some for sale or knows where to get some.
 

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V-94 does it work?

So have you taken it out and fired it? Does it work? Dos it extract and eject every time. My V-94 is a paperweight right out of the box. Its on its 2nd trip to the factory and I have yet to get a full 10 round clip fired through it without jamming.

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Well, it's been nearly 1 year since I bought my Vector and my "report" is that the gun ran flawlessly out of the box. I have since replaced several parts with real HK parts... mainly just to "have them" rather than out of need. I have approaching 5K of rounds through the gun (it's an SBR now) and to my memory I cannot recall any substantial FTFs or FTEs. I just had it out at the range a few weeks before Christmas and it ran ten for ten, ten 25 round loaded HK magazines through with zero failures.

Honestly this rifle has been the most bulletproof of all the rifles I think I've ever owned. It's cost me a bundle in parts, mags, options and ammo but it's been worth every penny. The only single "bad thing" about this gun has been the crummy black plastic clone magazines that came with it. They were complete trash and found their way into the bottom of my mag pile. Ever since I got ahold of a stack of "blue" HK mags this thing has run like a top and the HK mags, even though I bought them used, show less wear than the black plastic ones I got with the gun... and the HK mags have been around the block nearly ten times more than them.

This is the second Vector product I've owned (the first was a full size Uzi) and both have been immaculate.
 

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I usually run S&B .40 or Willie White Box .40 depending on what I have available at the time, which is usually S&B. I know folks say the clones do not like WWB ammo but mine has never had a problem with it. It ejects strong and dependably using either make and if you are standing to the right when someone else is shooting it you can see the casings loft a good distance and bounce off the wall of the booth. Admittedly I'm running an HK bolt/extractor now but it did the same thing with the original parts.
 
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