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Are the C93 junk or not? I have a real HK 93 , but am entertaininig the ideal of spending $600.00 for one of these C93's. In some of you opinions are they decent guns or junk? Should I pass, go with a Vector, or just stay away from clones in general. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
 

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Vector is better, but I have two cetmes. There are threads by those more knowledgable than I that cover the things to look for on a CETME. I own CETMEs so that I dont have to shoot and tearup my HKs. I secretly hope to melt a barrel some day. That is why I own large drums. I you plan to get a registered sear or want a clone that holds its value better then a vector would be better. Or have one built by gillie. I really regret the HK 93 I passed up at a gun show a year ago. Secretly hope to find it again some day.
 

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Are the C93 junk or not?
Unmitigated piece of crap.

There is a slim chance you'll get a shoot-able one, but nearly all of them have had to go back to century (at your cost) for repair, or sent to a knowledgeable smith to completely rebuild them correctly.

Its a 'parts kit' that looks like a usable firearm.
 

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STAY AWAY unless you want to send it to a GOOD HK Smith like GHILLIE!
 

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My C93P pistol runs great unsuppressed and suppressed. It took a bit of fiddling to get it to run suppressed but I'm happy.

On the other hand, my friend was so impressed by mine that he bought one. It won't cycle a single round. Don't know why. It just won't run. We changed all of the parts and it's still f'ed up. It's going back.

So 50-50 chance.
 

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So 50-50 chance.
with a sample size of 2.

The hkpro user experience seems to be a bit worse than that.... I think Jeff (ghillybear) said in another thread that he has gotten literally 100's, of C93's through the shop for re-barreling.
 

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I would say more like 80% chance you get a monkey-ized piece of [email protected] from century. They are a parts kit, IMO
 

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I just fired my replacement 2 weeks ago. It wouldn't cycle 55 gr Remington. Put 10 rounds of hot ss109 Radway Green through it and went back to the Rem .223 and it cycled every time after that. Bolt gap is at .011 with +4 rollers. It held that gap after 150 rnds. I personally won't buy another Vector. I would get the C93 or have one built by one of the Smith's here. This is only if I pay under 525.00 for the C93. Just know there's a risk with buying anything Century. 500.00 for a Malaysian parts kit with U.S 922 parts & receiver isn't a bad deal.
 

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They are inconsistent so there is no absolute answer to the question.
 

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I could not be happier with my Century C93. I think I paid $600 or so. Look it over, check bolt gap, take it home and then to the range for testing. Give it a few hundred rounds and check gap again.
 

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The search function is your friend. The Century C93 has been beaten to death over and over again here. I bet there is over a couple of hundred hours of reading you could go through on the subject. If you have gone through most of that information and have specific questions, I'm sure the board would like to help. But if you haven't done any reading, why should we rehash that same basic information, because you haven't done any research yourself? It sounds harsh, but it seems wasteful to me. I'd say most members here are helpful. I consider myself one of those. But, I think every member has a responsibility to get some background information that is available through the search function. I searched "Century Arms C93" and got over four pages of threads. I'd suggest you do some reading and get back to us.

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Mine works well and had a good gap and good parts in it. I thought it was well worth the money but if you're already spoiled with a real HK93 you will probably be disappointed with the workmanship.
 

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with a sample size of 2.

The hkpro user experience seems to be a bit worse than that.... I think Jeff (ghillybear) said in another thread that he has gotten literally 100's, of C93's through the shop for re-barreling.
The only two I've ever seen, so yea, a sample size of two. I would have figured that the only people you actually hear from concerning these guns are complaining or trying to get issues resolved. People with good ones don't complain. The only way to know your chances of getting a good one would be to know the total number of good ones divided by the total number of sales. Those numbers don't exist, as far as I know, so my personal experience is 50-50. They looked identical to me but one was great, the other was crap.

I dig mine and my buddy will send his back to Century or to Ghillie for a rework. It's still a lot of gun for the money even if it seems to be a crapshoot. And even knowing the odds, as they stand with my experience, I still may order another one.
 

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I bought a used one for $400. Sent it out to Jeff and after a barrel transplant and and other services I had a total of $900.00 in it. Sold off the returned barrel to recoup some of my money that I spent on it. I now have a 33k with a nice finish. It eats everything that she is fed.

 

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Are the C93 junk or not? I have a real HK 93 , but am entertaininig the ideal of spending $600.00 for one of these C93's. In some of you opinions are they decent guns or junk? Should I pass, go with a Vector, or just stay away from clones in general. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
If you have a sear and wish to get a clone to shoot hard that I one consideration, however, if for shooting on semi only - then stick with the HK93 and spend the money on ammo and mags ;-).
If was getting another "93" would talk to one of the current generation of HK smiths and see what it would take to build one from scratch, possible the way you would like it (i.e. 33K, optics rail on top etc.)

A little light reading - mix of the good (i.e. Gilliebear), bad and the ugly
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/parabellum-combat-systems/155696-c93-reborn.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/161779-questions-when-purchasing-c93.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/157956-c93-help.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/158730-c93-another-victim.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/158367-c93-rollers-replacement.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/157336-yet-another-malfunctioning-c93.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/157608-picked-up-another-c93.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/154301-yet-another-c93-story.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/153092-c93-gone-crazy.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/151245-possible-c93-problem-heeelp.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/156785-problem-c93.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/118160-c93-woes-looking-input.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/138923-c93-tell-me-about-your-good-factory-gap.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/153166-things-look-when-buying-century-c93.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/151339-c93-going-back.html
 

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I looked at 6 or 8 C93's at a gunshow today. Externally they all seemed okay but every seller admitted Century has a pretty checkered past. Asking prices were from $590 to $675. I think I'm going to spend a few hundred extra and get the Vector instead.
 

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I bought one over a year ago. No issues with it in about 1200 rounds of various ammo from wolf to hornady. Mine has had some mods done to it in this time but none were needed to make it function. I have installed a retractable stock (the ATI f style mp5 stock for about $160, I changed out the grip frame for a navy style sef "clipped and pinned", put a German cocking handle on it cause the c93 comes with a cheap all metal one that looks like crap! I duracoated it FDE and a small amount of camo, cut down the barrel, recrowned and threaded it again, replaced the front sight, next I'm gonna install a paddle mag.

I also replaced the rollers with +4 ones cause the bolt gap was out of spec but it still ran right without that being done. Love it
 

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Unmitigated piece of crap.

There is a slim chance you'll get a shoot-able one, but nearly all of them have had to go back to century (at your cost) for repair, or sent to a knowledgeable smith to completely rebuild them correctly.

Its a 'parts kit' that looks like a usable firearm.
That's a picture painted with a pretty broad brush.

The one I bought a year ago runs great! It looks good and with just a few upgrades one can do themselves is hard to tell apart from say a vector at half the cost. Vectors and original hk's I've had a few
 

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Anything with Century Arms is pretty much a coin toss...
I personally wouldn't risk the possibility of getting an expensive paperweight...
Ok, that was a little drastic but that's about what some of their stuff amounts to.
Many of their C93's are known for being picky on ammo... and that is NEVER good...
 
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