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I'm sort of new here so I don't know if this ground has been specifically covered, but here goes. I have had an opportunity to spend some time with both a P2000 and a USPc (both in .40 and both with the LEM system), and I would like to post my impressions and see what others' experiences are.



USPc



This version of the USP compact has the LEM trigger system, which is basically a single action trigger masquerading as a double action. The effort to pull the trigger back from the rest position is negligible, and from there the trigger pull is the same for every shot. It's fairly crisp with a reasonably short reset. I like the sights, and the grip is comfortable to me. The only downside to the USPc is the proprietary accessory rail, but Picatinny adapters are available for around $20. It's not something I use often enough to worry about for the most part.



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The P2000, as you know, is the "improved" successor to the USPc. It's basically the same size and takes the same magazines, but it's got an ambidextrous slide stop, interchangeable grip backstraps, and a universal accessory rail. The P2000 is also recontoured a bit overall - the shape of the slide and frame are noticeably different from the USPc.

Despite all these changes, the only improvement that made a positive impact to me is the Picatinny rail. I can't find a backstrap that makes the gun feel good in my hands, though part of that is the weird shape of the front of the grip which looks like it was designed for a three-fingered space alien. A Hogue Hand-All improved the feel of it for me, but not enough to make it as comfortable as the stock USPc grip. The ambidextrous slide stop I could give or take; I am accustomed to slingshotting the slide so I normally only use the slide stop for locking the weapon open. The front sight doesn't fill up the rear sight notch nearly as well as it does on the USPc; as a result I feel like I can't aim the P2000 as precisely as I can the older gun. My groupings tend to bear this impression out - my average scores are consistently higher when I use the USPc... with one exception. I spent about three months shooting a P2000 on a frequent basis, and at the end of that period I was shooting at 98-99%, score-wise. But after that, when I was shooting less frequently, my scores worsened dramatically (for me anyway), dropping to 90-95%. So given equal amounts of practice, I shoot better with the USPc.

The LEM trigger on the P2000 doesn't feel as nice as it does on the USPc. On the P2000, the trigger feels grittier and overall less crisp and the reset is longer. I don't know why any of that is, considering they're basically identical from a mechanical standpoint. Additionally, the ledge on the slide stop is more generous on the USPc, which makes it easier to use either for closing the slide or locking it open.

Also, I'm not fond of the P2000's looks. I don't know what it is, but the countours (of the slide especially) turn me off. Where the USPc's appearance is all business, the P2000 looks like it's trying to be modern art.

In conclusion, the USPc is the gun for me. On top of all the above, the USPc has never given me a moment's trouble with any kind of ammo, whereas the P2000 starts choking when I'm using dirty-shooting frangible rounds, after about a hundred rounds or so. It works fine with defensive ammo, but there's something in there that makes it not quite as reliable as the USP compact.
 

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Nice write up, pics and I agree on all points. I think the P2000 is ok, but I prefer the USPc's also, especially in the slide release.
 

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Excellent write up and pics!
Thanks
 

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+1 here. My USPc fits my hand better than my P2000 and I can shoot the USPc faster and more accurately.
 

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I too have a USPc 40 LEM and P2000 40 LEM, I have not as yet really shot either of them to come up with my own conclusion, although I agree on the back strap frustration, I too cannot find one that fits well. I do like the LEM on the P2000 better, but the slide release on the USPc. I guess time and hundreds of rounds will tell.
 

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Thanks for the great write-up. I currently use/assigned a USPc 40 LEM and it doesn't fit me right. It's a little too big. I was hoping that the P2000(sk)'s internals and LEM trigger would be very similar to my current weapon but in a slightly smaller package. I am surprised that the LEM trigger system doesn't feel exactly the same. Weird.
 

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I fondled a new P2K V2 9mm. I don't know how the trigger could have been improved.

I am going from a P30 to a P2K for CCW as the grip is a bit too rough for my skin. I think I would have a similar problem with the USP.

Plus the P2K fits my hand well enough for me even after shooting a P30 all day.

Your post has intrigued me to at least check out the USPc but I doubt my mind will be changed because I fell in love when I fondled that P2K.
 

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I have recently purchased my first HK pistol; a USP9c, have fired 200 rnds. in 2 range sessions and I must say that it is the finest pistol I have ever used! My only issue (that I will soon get acclimated to) is the long reset to the 'sear-click'. So far it will devour ball fmj and +P HP like they're free! If I go at it quick -but- smooth, the groupings are unbelievable! It hits exactly where it is pointed. There is NO substitute for German firearms technology! the shocktrooper P.S. Thanks HKPROs' for letting me 'in'.
 

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The looks of the USPc drawn me to it. I fondled the P2K and USPc side by side at a gun show and my eyes kept coming back to the USPc. IT is just a better looking gun to me and it shoots awesome too.
 

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Great report, you don't see enough info on the LEM's.
 

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Damn, I've been looking hard at P2Ks, so I hate seeing anything that isn't singing their praises. I'll have to throw my .02 in after I have the opportunity to shoot one.
 
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