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UPDATE: This review is now updated and posted here: http://everydayloadout.com/h-k-p2000sk-review.html

The Heckler & Koch P2000sk is a subcompact version of the P2000 pistol. The P2000 is essentially a redesigned USP Compact, with the biggest difference appearing to be ergonomics.

I acquired my P2000sk in a constantly evolving search for the perfect carry gun. Over time, I've come to the conclusions that my perfect carry gun is 9mm, has a 10+1 capacity, is less than 5" in height, has no manual safeties, and ideally has a consistent shot-to-shot trigger pull.

I have a Ruger SR9c, Glock 26 Gen4, and Walther PPS, but each of these lacked something I was looking for. I also have an HK45, and am completely in love with that gun, considering it to be perfect for its purpose as a full-size weapon. So why not see what HK offers for a carry gun?

I bought the P2000sk sight unseen. I had handled a P2000 fullsize, and liked the feel and trigger a lot. Now that I have my sk, it is the best carry gun I've seen to date, and I am very happy I took the risk.

Design
The P2000sk comes in two chamberings, 9mm and .40 S&W. I went with my favorite caliber, 9mm. It has an accessory rail, standard three dot sights, ambidextrous slide release, two backstrap sizes, loaded chamber indicator (in the form of some red paint on the extractor), lacks front serrations, and is hammer-fired. The magazine release is a paddle underneath the trigger guard; if you've ever handled a modern HK or Walther before, you are familiar with them. They are meant to be used with your firing hand, usually with your trigger finger, but some like to use their middle finger, or offhand thumb. This is one area that the gun could be improved upon. Not the style of the release, for I am a convert to this style and like it on all my guns. Rather, the P2000 series mag release is too small. I have a hard time reaching it. Fortunately, an extended release is available, and I installed it on my gun before taking it to the range for the first time. With this part installed, I have zero complaints about the mag release, and I think HK should offer it standard.

Size-wise, the gun is identical in dimensions to a Walther PPS, except the width. It is obviously going to be a little thicker due to being a double stack. It is not quite as thick as my Glock 26, but it is a little longer in the grip as well. I find it to be a good compromise of height and width.

Ergonomics
This is a very personal subject, and everyone's opinion will be different. My opinion, however, is that this is the most comfortable subcompact I've ever held. And I can't think of any that I haven't at least held in the store. It feels like it was designed for my specific hand, a comment that I hear often about HKs, and that I also feel about my larger HK45. The sides of the grip aren't too aggressively checkered, allowing comfortable carry against bare skin for extended periods. The gun's magazines come with a sort of shelf (its not quite an extension). I personally dislike these and replaced the floorplates of all my magazines with flush versions. The gun is fully ambidextrous; the mag and slide releases are ambidextrous, and in the DA/SA version, the decocker is on the back next to the hammer.

Standard Magazine & Standard Mag Release:


The trigger is serrated and curved such that you maintain solid contact with it throughout the firing process. Some guns (Glock) seem to have a curved trigger that encourages my finger to move on it while firing. I really appreciate the design of the trigger in this gun.

It is the first subcompact gun I have owned that I can fire hundreds of rounds with in one session and not experience any kind of pain or discomfort due to rubbing, pinching, catching, or other symptoms.

Trigger
Two versions of the trigger are available (well, really four, but more on that in a moment). The V3 (variant 3) version comes with a standard DA/SA with decocker. The V2 comes with HK's take on a double action only trigger, called the LEM or CDA trigger (Law Enforcement Modification, or Combat Defense Action). These models come with a bobbed hammer.

The LEM is a bit tricky to understand if you've never held one, but I will do my best. There are also some videos on YouTube demonstrating its use. There are two hammer springs at work, an external and an internal. When you rack the slide (either through chambering a round, or firing the gun), the internal spring is cocked. The external hammer is at rest, the trigger is fully forward, and it appears to the naked eye to be a decocked gun. This is how the weapon is carried. When pressure is applied to the trigger, there is a long but light pull, about 2lbs or so. While the trigger is being pulled, the hammer is moving back. Once the trigger is most of the way back, you meet a point of resistance. Pulling through this resistance drops the hammer and fires the gun. At this point, you can release out to the reset point, which is the same point the resistance starts. Or you can release the trigger all the way out and start over. The hammer will safely drop as the trigger is released.

The V2 variant of the gun is considered "heavy" LEM. The pull weight at the end is rated at 7.3lbs. There are medium and light variants as well, weighing in at about 6 and 4.5lbs respectively. My thoughts on the LEM, now that I've fired it, are twofold. First, that it is harder to fire accurately than my other, striker-fired guns with lighter triggers. Second, that I love it, and never want to go back. Because of the increased resistance, it requires a bit more attention to proper trigger control in order to shoot well. But the convenience, and inherent safety of the long trigger pull, means accidental discharges will be very difficult if the gun snags on something (especially if your thumb is over the hammer), and also that you have to really mean it when you fire the gun. I would feel comfortable resting my finger on the trigger in a critical scenario without fearing accidentally firing the gun due to loss of motor control or other phenomena.

I have the parts on order (two springs), to convert my gun to a V1 light LEM variant. With a 4.5lbs pull (usually measured around 5lbs in reality), I hope to have the best of both worlds. Either way, I believe the system is worth getting better with, and I already see improvement over the 300 rounds I've fired in two trips to the range.

Fit & Finish
It's an HK. It looks and feels like an outstanding piece of engineering, because it is one. The only place I have a complaint here is with the right side slide release. It rattles. Some people are driven crazy by this, I find it mildly irritating. It doesn't rattle while carrying (for me), but if I am handling the gun out of the holster, I hear it. It slides up and down loosely. At some point, I will remedy this by carefully cutting and applying a piece of adhesive felt to the back of the release, but for the money that goes into this gun, it really shouldn't be necessary. Otherwise, as I mentioned, the gun is outstanding to see, hold, and fire. The gun chambers smoothly, magazines insert solidly and "click" with authority, and there is no play anywhere. It disassembles quickly and easily, and is easy to clean, oil, and reassemble.

Overall Impressions
I was so in love with this gun when I got it, that I forced myself to avoid posting about it until I'd had a chance to take it to the range multiple times, carry it, and live with it for a while. This would give me a chance to get over the initial new gun euphoria and notice things I dislike. I'm here to say, I still really love this gun. It feels great, looks great, carries great, and shoots great when I do my part. The magazines aren't that expensive, surprisingly (about $35 online), and holsters are available from the two places I primarily do business with (High Noon and Raven Concealment). I do think the extended mag release is a necessary upgrade, and the slide release rattle is annoying. And I wouldn't mind some small front serrations for performing press checks. But other than these minor complaints, there is nothing I would change. This is my new favorite gun, and I believe to be the best carry gun made, at least that I have handled.

 

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Nice write up... I like the P2000 line a lot but the grip of the SK is too small for my hands. Looks like you got the talent for the HK marketing team!
 

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Nice write up. The .40 S&W P2000sk was one of the softest shooting HK's I've fired. I was better with it in a side-by-side comparison with a USP40.
 

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Very thorough review. I would like to know more about the V3...Does it have an external decock and/or an external safety? What is a fair price range to expect for these pistols?
 

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Very thorough review. I would like to know more about the V3...Does it have an external decock and/or an external safety? What is a fair price range to expect for these pistols?
Every TDA will have some means of decocking the weapon. On the 'P' Series, the decock is on the rear portion of the frame, just to the left of the hammer. The P2000 does not have an external safety nor is it an option.
 

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Lazarus, my P2000sk is the V3. It has the decocking tab at the back & I like (and prefer, just a preference) the DA/SA trigger pull. I'm old and just feel more comfortable with it, DA at about 11# & SA at about 4.5#. To my knowledge, the sk's don't have external safeties, just the decocker which acts as a trigger block when the hammer is down and the pistol has been decocked (if it hasn't been decocked or had the hammer brought back to rest, the hammer can strike the firing pin, so be careful!). I paid $700 for mine, used, with 3 magazines & night sights, but a new one from the factory will run you closer to $900 w/o the night sights. I would also agree that this is an excellent carry pistol for daily use, I don't have large hands and I prefer the magazine with the small "shelf" at the bottom. Mine has taken the place of the P30LS, but I'm getting a laser for the P30 and home use. All of life is compromise, but some are better than others...
 

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Prices online seem to be in the mid-to-high 800s. Both variants seem to be available right now, though I waited a couple months for a V3 to appear without success, so it may not stay that way.
 

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Nice write up. I have the SK in .40 V3 s/a d/a that I bought about a month ago. I love it. Very comfy to carry all day. My slide release rattles some but I cut a very thin piece of soft sided Velcro and fixed it.

I agree about not having to put a bandaid on a new gun, but you cant even see the Velcro so it doesn't bother me.
 

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Noseoil, thank you for good answers to my questions. Sounds like the decocker is similar to that of my current daily carry pistol, the P30L. I too prefer the DA/SA. . . must be an old people thing. Does a standard P2000 barrel fit and function in a P2000sk? Is there any current or future availability of a threaded barrel for the sk or can the full size P2000 barrel be adapted for this purpose?
 

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Great review Scotch. Timely too; I just fired my V3 for the first time yesterday. I got mine like new with the Mepro nightsights installed for $650 shipped. It had 100 rounds through it and is indistinguishable from new. I already had bought (2) 13 round magazines w/ the X Grips and flat floor plates for the 10 rounders.

I put 100 rounds through it yesterday and will add my thoughts. The DA is very stout. Chambering a round and decocking for carry will be extremely safe. The single action is much more crisp. I don't mind the long travel at all on that DA. The one thing that will take much getting used to is the take up after the trigger resets. The reset distance is OK, but then I am pulling back in more than I like for the next shot. I love the ergonomics, and as I posted before that larger backstrap really fits my hand great and made the gun easy to control.

It took me less than 1 minute to cut a piece of thin automotive rubber and apply it to the back of the right side release. I understand the sentiment that it should not be necessary, but it really meant nothing to me. I tend to mod everything I have anyways :) I certainly don't find it "perfect", but all in all I think the P2000SK is a great defensive handgun.
 

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Nice overview, Scotchman. I'll hit 400 rounds on my SK 9mm tomorrow, and I agree with most every opinion you stated.


Mine arrived with only the medium back strap, so I had to call HK for the large strap. They sent it free of charge, as expected. It arrived today and really improved the feel of the gun for my medium-large hands. I also replaced the mag release and I agree that should be a standard feature, as it vastly improves performance of the function. Meprolight Tru Dot sights were also added. They are just okay and will do until Trijicon offers their HD sights for the SK.

The jury is still out on my LEM V1 mod. I like the reduced trigger weight, but trigger return is anemic. I'll have a better opinion after tomorrow's range session.

Thanks for taking the time to do your SK review. It will be a good resource for shooters considering buying this HK.
 

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Very good review OP. :)

I have a 9mm V3 SK and it's one of my favorite pistols -- devours any ammo I feed it, is a pleasure to shoot for extended range sessions and is a real tack driver.
 

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The P2000 does not have an external safety nor is it an option.
that chaps my a$$. i really wish it was at least an option. oh well though, i would love to have one but i'd probably never use it as I have no problem concealing my p30. and the sk's a little big for an ankle backup.

either way op: great write up!
 

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Great review - thanks for taking the time to share with us. I have a V3 .40 cal with night sights and wouldn't trade it for anything. It is a very soft shooter that is extremely accurate.
 

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Love and enjoy my "sk", but I'm curious about the XDs .45, which is almost similar in specs to the "sk".

Trying to reason with myself, that my "sk" can do everything that the XDs can do. Something about HK reliability, plus it holds more ammo than the XDs has me coming back to to the "sk".

Wish HK made a similar size and style pistol...doesn't hurt to dream
 

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Glad I got my sk V3 9mm 6 months back. It is my warm weather carry, and I love being able to carry a P30 mag for reload. Just like my P30, it flawlessly handles everything from 115gr PMC to 127gr +p+ Rangers. Great weapon!
 
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