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I went to the outdoor range today and took out my new P30 9mm LEM V1. I only shot one type of ammo, 124 grain +P Winchester Ranger FMJ. This is a new pistol that I bought from Top Gun Supply, and the round count so far is 450 rounds. I switched to +P ammo after popping its cherry with 150 rounds of 115 grain PMC FMJ because the P30 was basically a single shot with the PMC. I did not keep count of the FTE’s but conservatively there was no less than 75. The best way to describe the FTE’s is that the cartridges were on the horizontal plane, still in the extractor claw, jammed between the slide and the barrel. I had to cycle the slide manually pulling it all the way back so that the ejector could kick the casing out, then let it go to feed the next round. After coming back home and doing some forum searching I bought some +P ammo. Since I switched ammo I have shot 300 rounds of +P and not had another FTE. I plan on shooting another 100-200 rounds of the +P before I switch back to 115 grain ammo.

Well now back to my range report for today. I’m basically a self-taught shooter with no formal training. Conditions were partly cloudy with a ~15 mph SSW wind that was mostly coming from right to left. The range will only allow for the closest target to be placed at 15 yards because they say that any closer the bullets might strike the ground and ricochet overt the dirt back stop. All of my shooting was done free hand, at a controlled rate of fire, with a 15 or 30 second break after every 5 or 6 rounds. The targets were just some I printed with my laser jet and the black centers are 4".

The first target was 15 yards and I shot 75 rounds into it. I think I did ok keeping most of my shots centered but I was a high with most of the fliers.



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The second target was brought out to the 25 yard marker. I shot 50 rounds into it and seemed to put most of my fliers in the upper left quadrant. Did I do this because I had too much finger on the trigger, or was it the wind?



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The third target was brought back to the 15 yard marker and is by far my best out of the 3. I shot 45 rounds into it with only one stray. Do you think that the relatively tight grouping was because I was shooting at the 25 yard target before, then shot this target at a closer range, and the longer distance tuned me up a bit?



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Pretty good groupings there, I'd say. Did I read it right, 75 FTE's out of 150 PMC 115gr? PMC is crap anyway.
 

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Pretty good groupings there, I'd say. Did I read it right, 75 FTE's out of 150 PMC 115gr? PMC is crap anyway.
Yep at least 75 FTE’s from the 115 grain PMC, which was a conservative estimate. I had a little stash of it so on the P30’s maiden voyage I brought 150 rounds to shoot. I should have kept a failure log, but I did not expect such a bad first outing. If I remember correctly the first mag feed smoothly for the most part maybe one FTE then the FTEs started to become more frequent, and I started to get more and more frustrated. Like I stated in my OP the rounds didn’t seem strong enough to completely cycle the slide back. The casings were stuck in the horizontal plain, still in the extractor’s claw, jammed between the slide and the barrel. It got so bad that for a while after every shot I had to rack the slide to eject the spent round then let it go to feed the next. I wanted to stop because I was so mad but I didn’t want to let it beat me, and thought maybe the recoil spring would loosen up on its own. It never did so the majority of the first outing was bang, jam, rack, bang, jam, rack, bang…..After reading about breaking it in with 9mm Nato or +P, I bought some and now with 300rounds of +P the P30 is failure free. Maybe after a few more boxes of the +P I will go back to the 115 gr PMC’s or WWB’s to see if the higher pressure break in fixed the problem.
 

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It should be ready for 115gr now. I usually shoot 200 rounds of 124gr or the same 124gr +P Winchester Ranger to break in my P30's.
 

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I have had three more trips to the range since my last report.

Since TooSixy said my P30 should be broke in with 300 rounds of +P Winchester Ranger Ammo, I took it out two weeks ago. I wanted to try the PMC 115 grain ammo I had so many FTE’s with initially. I shot 50 rounds of PMC and had 3 FTE’s, so I switched back to the +P ammo. I fired 50 rounds of +P without another FTE.

Last week I took it out again thinking that I need to break it in a little bit more. I put 150 rounds of +P 124 gain Winchester Ranger without a single problem.

Today I went with my girlfriend and took it out again. At this point before today’s session I have broken it in with 500 rounds of 124 grain +P. I started out today with 115 grain PMC because I will consider my P30 broke in if it can shoot that stuff without a problem. I had 2 FTE’s within the first 50 rounds. I switched back to the +P Ranger ammo and fired 150 rounds without a problem. Wanting to experiment and having 50 rounds left of the PMC ammo I fired another 50 rounds and had a total of 16 various types of FTE’s, for a grand total of 18 out of 100 today.

I’m assuming that the PMC ammo that I had is very underpowered but shouldn’t the pistol be broke in by now? The total round count with +P and regular ammo is 950. My concern is shouldn’t the P30 be able to fire even this crappy ammo at this point?
 

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I'm no expert on break in periods as I am cheap and buy used guns almost exclusively; but IMO that's a bit excessive.
 

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I went ahead and got 6 boxes of the NATO stuff to run through my P30L but it doesn't arrive until later this week. I really hate to hear these Kahr-like stories of break in period on the P30. My M&P9 needed zero break in. Shot 115gr Lawman from round one with no issues at all. I sold it so I could buy the P30L. I surely hope I don't have the same experience.
 

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I would try a different 115gr target ammo and likely it's the ammo. I had some PMC once worst i ever had. My P30 shoot's anything but i have never had a failure. In fact come to think of it i got my Nato Winchester 124gr not long ago. So i never ran it yet. Only some of my carry 9mm ammo..my L version i hope is here soon the 124's are ready.

9mm power factor FMJ from a 2000 Glock Armorer's manual. I see it's way under powered for a Glock.
9mm FMJ Ballistics

Brand Weight Velocity Power Factor
Fiocchi 124 1180 146.32
Fiocchi 147 1000 147.00
Fiocchi 158 940 148.52
Am Eagle 147 1000 147.00
Win RA9124N NATO 124 1185 146.94
RWS Sport FMJ 124 1181 146.44
S&B 124 1181 146.44
Rem. Express 147 990 145.53
UMC 147 990 145.53
Lawman 147 985 144.80
Prvi Partizan 147 984 144.65
S&B 115 1250 143.75
Fiocchi 115 1250 143.75
Am Eagle 124 1150 142.60
Glock Minimum* 124 1148 142.35
Win USA 124 1140 141.36
Blazer 147 950 139.65
Lawman 115 1200 138.00
PMC Bronze 124 1110 137.64
Win USA 115 1190 136.85
Rem. Express 124 1100 136.40
UMC 124 1100 136.40
Am Eagle 115 1180 135.70
Glock Minimum* 115 1180 135.70
Blazer 124 1090 135.16
Blazer Brass 124 1090 135.16
Lawman 124 1090 135.16
Cor-Bon match 147 900 132.30
My Reloads 147 900 132.30
PMC Bronze 115 1150 132.25
Prvi Partizan 115 1148 132.02
Blazer 115 1145 131.68
Blazer Brass 115 1145 131.68
Rem. Express 115 1135 130.53
UMC 115 1135 130.53
Federal Champ 115 1125 129.38

*2000 Glock Armorer's manual
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To break in my P30L 9mm, I shot 150 rounds of Winchester NATO 124gr +P, followed by 50 rounds of Remington 115gr. Went home and gave it a good cleaning, then went back the next day and put another 250 rounds of Remington 115gr + 50 rounds of Federal American Eagle 124gr. Not a single failure.

I would stay away from PMC brand ammo. They're very dirty.
 

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I would try a different 115gr target ammo and likely it's the ammo. I had some PMC once worst i ever had. My P30 shoot's anything but i have never had a failure. In fact come to think of it i got my Nato Winchester 124gr not long ago. So i never ran it yet. Only some of my carry 9mm ammo..my L version i hope is here soon the 124's are ready.

9mm power factor FMJ from a 2000 Glock Armorer's manual. I see it's way under powered for a Glock.
9mm FMJ Ballistics
Thanks for the ballistics power chart. I will try to stay away from the PMC for now. I used all of it up anyway, and now I have 500 rounds of 124 grain Aguila set aside for my next range trip.

I’m not really faulting the P30, but I was surprised by its poor performance with the PMC. My P2000 and P7 shoot it without a problem. Even my girlfriend’s BB date code P2000sk never had a stoppage with PMC; it only had weak ejections that would hit her on the forehead and shoulder. After 300 rounds of +P it shot the PMC just fine. I also have a few other 9mm handguns from other manufacturers that have all shot the PMC’s without a failure.
 

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Thanks for the ballistics power chart. I will try to stay away from the PMC for now. I used all of it up anyway, and now I have 500 rounds of 124 grain Aguila set aside for my next range trip.

I’m not really faulting the P30, but I was surprised by its poor performance with the PMC. My P2000 and P7 shoot it without a problem. Even my girlfriend’s BB date code P2000sk never had a stoppage with PMC; it only had weak ejections that would hit her on the forehead and shoulder. After 300 rounds of +P it shot the PMC just fine. I also have a few other 9mm handguns from other manufacturers that have all shot the PMC’s without a failure.
Your welcome if it choke's some gen3 Glock's it is likely to choke anything. Plus as said above it's filthy ammo. It may have got your .extractor a bunch of crud under it, good luck..my L i hope to have soon,
 

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Came across this thread while searching for the problem that I was having today.

I have a p30l with about 200 rounds through it.

Federal 115 gr training ammo, no probs.
Lawman 124 gr tmj, no probs.
Winchester 115 gr fmj, no probs.

PMC 115 gr, wouldnt lock the slide with firing last round in mag, wouldnt fully extract the casing, it would get jammed between the slide and barrel. This is VERY frustrating.

Ill take the recommendations in this thread and see what happens. Seems like my issue was addressed thoughly here. Thank you.
 
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