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Hello,

Thank you in advance for any help.

My research shows that LEM variants with manual safeties exist but I can not
find anyone selling them.

Any direction would be appreciated.
 

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There were some P30s made factory LEM with a safety; anything else to my knowledge didn't come from HK that way in the States.
 

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You can convert a DA/SA USP and a DA/SA P30 to LEM and keep the safety. My USPc 45 and P30LS are converted this way.
 

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HK already has the firing pin block safety preventing fire without the pull of the trigger. LEM is designed to be without any external safety at all and the FPB/brain/finger the other safeties that could never get in your way of living further, IMO. I do not understand the need for the external safety. Does that only remove the heavier DA pull for you because that is all I see happening in that configuration, other than lack of warranty or factory backup.
 

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I do not understand the need for the external safety.
For me, the safety is always off when carrying, so it's not "needed." I do, however, like the "belt-and-suspenders" of being able to engage a trigger-blocking manual safety when handling the gun in non-carry situations -- unloading/loading at home or on the range, carrying it from point A to point B outside a trigger-covering holster, etc.

The obvious downside is the potential for the safety being inadvertently engaged at a bad time, but given how I handle and practice with the gun I consider the likelihood of this to be acceptably small (note I said for me - someone else may not be as comfortable with their training to want to take that risk).

So, needed? No. Useful to me? yes. Very much a "to each their own" thing.
 

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For me, the safety is always off when carrying, so it's not "needed." I do, however, like the "belt-and-suspenders" of being able to engage a trigger-blocking manual safety when handling the gun in non-carry situations -- unloading/loading at home or on the range, carrying it from point A to point B outside a trigger-covering holster, etc.

The obvious downside is the potential for the safety being inadvertently engaged at a bad time, but given how I handle and practice with the gun I consider the likelihood of this to be acceptably small (note I said for me - someone else may not be as comfortable with their training to want to take that risk).

So, needed? No. Useful to me? yes. Very much a "to each their own" thing.
I do not understand your need for a safety lever at all. You mention you want it for non carry reasons but why? If HK has the firing pin block and you keep your finger off the trigger... why do you also need a lever safety? Are the first two (FPB/Finger-brain) not worthy?
 

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I do not understand your need for a safety lever at all. You mention you want it for non carry reasons but why? If HK has the firing pin block and you keep your finger off the trigger... why do you also need a lever safety? Are the first two (FPB/Finger-brain) not worthy?
First, I never said I "need" for a manual safety for non-carry reasons.

As I said, belt-and-suspenders. I don't know of anyone who is perfect, or anyone for whom finger-brain control is infallible, including expert/master-level shooters (ask them if they've ever had an "oops" moment, and get back to me when you find someone who hasn't).

Do I expect to ever have a brain fart? No more than you do. In fact, I'm pretty [email protected] fanatical about trigger finger discipline, 100% muzzle direction awareness, etc. But the fact of the matter is unexpected things happen. Ever trip or snag a foot on something you didn't see? Ever have something in your hand slip/fumble about with it before you regain control? Ever walk into the edge of a doorframe because your attention is elsewhere? Ever get startled by a loud sharp noise? Ever have someone else do/move in an unexpected (often unthoughtful) way? Stuff happens.

Having a manual trigger block safety *available* (note, I didn't say "needed") provides an additional redundant layer that I appreciate (I come from an engineering world that values redundant levels of safety to mitigate against the fact that humans, no matter how well-intentioned, make mistakes, so maybe I'm inherently more cautious than average).

BTW, a firing pin block safety doesn't do squat if something actuates the trigger during an unexpected "event" (e.g., snagging on a branch or the corner of a table that sneaks in behind the trigger guard, or the human tendency to clench/flinch during a sudden, surprise event). This isn't about dropping the gun -- I agree the FPBS effectively eliminates that concern completely.

If you are comfortable with your gun without a manual safety, fine -- no problem from my end. I also would like to believe you are not implying that those of us that like the *option* of applying a manual safety when desired are being stupid for wanting to keep the option.
 

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I grew up with 1911s and BHPs both with thumb safety, some times I find myself disengaging a TS on a gun that don't have one, aka Glocks, I carry a HK .45C DA/SA in C&L mode.
 

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To the OP, i am understanding you, so pay no attention to people who don't answer your question, which was done, and question your thought process. And happy shooting.
 
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