P30 Jammed/Stuck w/ Aftermarket Barrel (PICS)

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MadKap

Discussion Starter · Apr 20, 2012

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Hello all,

I purchased and finally received an EFK firedragon barrel for my P30 to be used when my osprey suppressor arrives.

I fired a round through the pistol, and it had a FTE. I figured that might happen with a new barrel, so I sent the slide home and fired a few more rounds with no problem.

Around round 5 or 6, I had another FTE, but I couldn't get the fired brass out of the chamber. I let the slide close, and since then, I have not been able to get the slide back again. The slide is stuck closed.

The slide can move back about a 1/4 inch.

The brass is stuck in the chamber.

I wonder if this is what the problem is. Perhaps the top of the barrel is not clearing the bottom of the slide now?

What would have happened that allowed me to fire the pistol multiple times and then have it become stuck? Is it related to the brass?

Is there anything I can do to remove the slide? I'd love not to have to send this pistol somewhere. I doubt HK would take it with the aftermarket barrel.

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Blazer-6

· #2 · Apr 20, 2012

aw that's a shame. it's a beautiful looking combination. and the dragon looks cute. may i ask what was the ammo? have you tries pressing the rear part of the extractor with your thumb if it would release the round's rim and cycle the slide? is the barrel advertised to be drop in?

also, just a suggestion: i'd use a black thread protector on a stainless barrel. it would look awesome, like a stainless AR barrel with a black flash suppressor. just my opinion

III The Chad III

· #3 · Apr 20, 2012

Go Hulk on it. Bare down on it and push with dominant hand and pull with non-dom hand. The casing probably swelled in the chamber and needs a little more motivation to come out. You weren't shooting steel or aluminum cased ammo by chance were you?

DBLAction454

· #4 · Apr 20, 2012

No its brass in the picture.

Brownie

· #5 · Apr 20, 2012

Blazer-6 said:
have you tries pressing the rear part of the extractor with your thumb if it would release the round's rim and cycle the slide?

I suggest this as a first attempt. You may have to use something more rigid than your thumb though. Should that fail a wooden dowel or brass rod can be inserted through the muzzle. Place one end on the floor and gripping the pistol as if to fire, push down towards the floor and against the dowel/rod. If that doesn't do it then I'd drop it in EFK's lap and let them figure it out.

RHINOWSO

· #6 · Apr 20, 2012

Aftermarket barrel fitting issue. I've heard issue about Fire Dragon barrels in the past.

bzdog

· #7 · Apr 20, 2012 (Edited)

I've has a similar issue happen with my SK. It turned out to be (range) ammunition related. The brass split slightly allowing it to swell and stick in there really well.

I wasn't able to open the slide with normal methods. The rangemaster showed me a technique where you hold the slide with your non dominate hand. A good full and sturdy grip. Then slam your dominant hand onto the grip.

Once opening the slide, the brass had to be tapped out with a rod.

Good luck!

-john

EDIT: The idea about releasing the extractor is probably a better method.

orfeo

· #8 · Apr 20, 2012

I'm sure you know what you are doing, but I still have to say "be careful". People have been known to inadvertantly shoot themselves while trying to clear stoppages. First off, drop the mag (I'm sure you did this) and keep it away from the gun, then remove the slide assembly from the frame. Now, you can look into the muzzle and check that you have an empty case in the chamber as opposed to a live round. Then reassemble the slide assy onto the frame.

Blazer-6 & Brownie have it right. The first thing to try is to see if you can unhook the extractor claw from the brass case rim. Try to push the slide forward a touch, just to take some of the pressure off the claw, then pivot the extractor claw by pressing in on it's most rearward edge with a piece of wood. Once you can pivot the extractor claw, you'll be able to tell if the brass case is what is holding the slide (this is most likely). If you can't pivot the extractor, then I would once again remove the slide assy from the frame; remove the recoil assy; and, then remove the roll pin which holds in the extractor.

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balance

· #9 · Apr 20, 2012 (Edited)

Did the bullet from the last round fired leave the barrel?

I ask because I had a bad round of ammo go through one of my pistols once that had no gun powder, and the force of the primer pushed the bullet into the rifling, but not all the way out of the brass casing, causing the bullet to be stuck to the barrel in the rifling, the casing to be stuck to the bullet, and the extractor on the slide to be stuck on the casing, locking up the pistol. I'd also recommend you do what was already suggested and press the rear of the extractor into the slide, and rack the slide rearward.

Also, I've heard of issues with aftermarket barrels not being heat treated correctly, causing the cam on the barrel to bend into the locking block, or break off completely, causing the pistol to lock up. If you can't get the slide to move rearward after pressing the extractor over the rim of the casing, then this would be my guess as to what happened.

MadKap

Discussion Starter · #10 · Apr 20, 2012

Thank you fellow HKers!

Using the claw push method I was able to free the extractor from the brass, allowing the slide to open. The brass was stuck in the chamber so I put a plastic dowel down the barrel and hit it with a hammer until the brass was freed. The brass didn't actually show any signs of bulging or rupture. Thank you, I will try the barrel again and see if it was just a bad round.

MadKap

Discussion Starter · #11 · Apr 20, 2012 (Edited)

So I've been messing around with it a bit more.

I have two types of snap caps.

Azoom and tipton. The Azooms are made from aluminum and the tiptons are made from plastic with brass rims.

Both can be chambered, but the slide gets stuck with the azooms while everything operates normally with the tiptons.

Perhaps there's something off in the chamber size of the efk barrel?

Blazer-6

· #12 · Apr 21, 2012

yes, maybe that's it. a-zooms aren't supposed to get stuck.

harkamus

· #13 · Apr 21, 2012

I've read way too many stories of mishaps like this or worse from EFK to ever consider purchasing a barrel from them. Glad you were able to remove it.

mew

· #14 · Apr 21, 2012

now that its free, send it back to EFK...............

FamilyMan

· #15 · Apr 21, 2012

That barrel looks pretty bad ass! Glad you where able to clear your malfunction! To bad they don't seem very reliable.

orfeo

· #16 · Apr 21, 2012

mew said:
now that its free, send it back to EFK...............

This ^

ptechjpjr

· #17 · Apr 22, 2012

harkamus said:
I've read way too many stories of mishaps like this or worse from EFK to ever consider purchasing a barrel from them. Glad you were able to remove it.

I have an EFK Firedragon 40 Super barrel for my USP 45 and it is perfectly functional and dead on accurate. Only thing I felt I needed to do to it was to polish the feed ramp and chamber

harkamus

· #18 · Apr 22, 2012

ptechjpjr said:
I have an EFK Firedragon 40 Super barrel for my USP 45 and it is perfectly functional and dead on accurate. Only thing I felt I needed to do to it was to polish the feed ramp and chamber

I've read two instances of conversion barrels for a different make of handgun where the heat treatment was poor at best causing the locking lugs to shave off. I've read other instances of feeding issues (which granted, could have probably been taken care of with polishing the feed ramp), and one or two more examples such as this one from this original posting.

MadKap

Discussion Starter · #19 · Apr 22, 2012

I'm waiting for EFK to get back to me on this, I'll let you guys know how it goes. It's a shame because as far as I know my only other option for a threaded barrel is to have an extension added to my existing one which I don't want to do. Guess I'll have to buy a usp tactical.

harkamus

· #20 · Apr 22, 2012

MadKap said:
I'm waiting for EFK to get back to me on this, I'll let you guys know how it goes. It's a shame because as far as I know my only other option for a threaded barrel is to have an extension added to my existing one which I don't want to do. Guess I'll have to buy a usp tactical.

HK makes one. Out of stock, but they make one: P30 threaded barrel - HKPARTS.NET

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