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Hi,

I am getting P30sk for my wife mainly but I also like idea of sharing mags with my VP9 with xgrip??? and 9mm ammo for sure.
My dealer is offering 3 models with the same price: LEM v1 DOA, DA/SA with safety, DA/SA without safety. I like idea of lighter trigger pull and night sights on LEM version but would it be good for my wife to learn DAO? Any disadvantages in this model? Should I just buy DA/SA?

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So is she going to carry it or just for home. I'm not a fan of safeties on a carry gun assuming it is holstered. As for LEM. I love the way the trigger works, but have ended up parting with them. I have tried to adjust to it, but it's not for me. Others swear by them. If this is her first pistol I'm sure she will be fine.

Also she may have trouble with the short grip. Some don't. Off topic, but the P2000sk grip/magazine allows for a better purchase.
 

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So is she going to carry it or just for home. I'm not a fan of safeties on a carry gun assuming it is holstered. As for LEM. I love the way the trigger works, but have ended up parting with them. I have tried to adjust to it, but it's not for me. Others swear by them. If this is her first pistol I'm sure she will be fine.

Also she may have trouble with the short grip. Some don't. Off topic, but the P2000sk grip/magazine allows for a better purchase.

I own P2000sk but it is converted to .357sig and it is heavy on recoil for her, not for carry but she would like to get better results at range with the lighter trigger. Not much luck with results on current Sig P938 which is heavy on recoil and not as light on trigger, pull is 6lb on SA and LEM P30sk should be as light as 5.4lb.
Also I like idea of reusing larger mags from VP9 and shot it myself :)
 

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I say if you can rent one or find other member close by with one to see if she likes it or take her to a gun store that has one she could also try the 2000SK 9mm as well but I like p30sk grip better (V3) DA/SA rear decocking button . safety for me just one more thing I have to mess with. I have big hands so to off set it I grab p2000 mags and x-grip.
 

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Two thoughts:

1. SHE is the one who should make this decision. Preferably after someone gives her a full discussion of the +/- of each.

2. As I understand it, if you buy a V3 (DA/SA), you can convert it to LEM, but you can't convert an LEM to DA/SA.

If your wife is uncomfortable with carrying with a round in the chamber, having a manual safety may provide enough "comfort" to do so, at least until she becomes sufficiently proficient/confident to carry with the safety off.

I faced a somewhat similar situation. My wife, who is very smart and not a shrinking violet, chose a Glock 43 to carry over other choices because it felt very good at the range. It turned out however, that she hadn't really thought through the way she was going to carry, and she was not comfortable enough with the Glock design to carry with one in the chamber.

Long story short, after discussing it with her I purchased a P30SKS V3. I purchased the V3 w/safety because I've converted my other carry HKs to LEM, and wanted her (as she grows more comfortable with the SK) to have the option of starting with a round chambered and the safety on, then carrying with the safety off with the long, heavy DA first shot pull, then deciding whether she wants to try the LEM trigger. Also, at any time I can remove the safety to ensure there will be no inadvertent application at the wrong time (but I doubt she'll ever want to remove the option of being able to apply a manual "lock" during administrative handling of the gun).
 

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I say if you can rent one or find other member close by with one to see if she likes it or take her to a gun store that has one she could also try the 2000SK 9mm as well but I like p30sk grip better (V3) DA/SA rear decocking button . safety for me just one more thing I have to mess with. I have big hands so to off set it I grab p2000 mags and x-grip.

Thanks for photo, it seem perfect setup for my hands as well. So it feet P2000 9mm mags as well? I didn't know before :)
 

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Two thoughts:

1. SHE is the one who should make this decision. Preferably after someone gives her a full discussion of the +/- of each.

2. As I understand it, if you buy a V3 (DA/SA), you can convert it to LEM, but you can't convert an LEM to DA/SA.

If your wife is uncomfortable with carrying with a round in the chamber, having a manual safety may provide enough "comfort" to do so, at least until she becomes sufficiently proficient/confident to carry with the safety off.

I faced a somewhat similar situation. My wife, who is very smart and not a shrinking violet, chose a Glock 43 to carry over other choices because it felt very good at the range. It turned out however, that she hadn't really thought through the way she was going to carry, and she was not comfortable enough with the Glock design to carry with one in the chamber.

Long story short, after discussing it with her I purchased a P30SKS V3. I purchased the V3 w/safety because I've converted my other carry HKs to LEM, and wanted her (as she grows more comfortable with the SK) to have the option of starting with a round chambered and the safety on, then carrying with the safety off with the long, heavy DA first shot pull, then deciding whether she wants to try the LEM trigger. Also, at any time I can remove the safety to ensure there will be no inadvertent application at the wrong time (but I doubt she'll ever want to remove the option of being able to apply a manual "lock" during administrative handling of the gun).

Thanks, her worry is recoil and trigger pull. Heavier trigger pull pistols causing pistol shifting/pointing down in her hands and shots results is difficult to adjust. So that is why I choose LEM which is 5.4lb pull and it is light for any pistol I own, and I am hopping to improve this situation. She could get into target but at very close distance now with P938, it is ok but I wish she could get my results one day :)
 

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I just shot my LEM version yesterday for the first time and the trigger pull is great. She just needs to practice with the trigger system a bit to learn to operate it properly, IMO.

I love the LEM trigger and would definately recommend it provided a good holster is used also.
 

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Trigger reach for shooting DA may be an issue with someone with smaller hands/shorter fingers. My P30SK is my first LEM and I really like it for CCW.

If she is having problems with pistol moving around in her hand and recoil control maybe she needs to take a hard look at how she is gripping the pistol and/or hand/finger strength which can be remedied with a hand exercise device such as Gripmaster .

This short video by Travis Haley IMO is excellent about using a high tang 360 pistol grip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzQIHN-LiI
 

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I would recommend the following if she's going to carry the gun for self defense. The LEM trigger is going to be a lot less complex and a better carry trigger. It offers the same trigger pull each time, which is more consistent. In a stressful situation in which she would need to use the pistol to defend herself she doesn't have to think about deactivating a manual safety. A situation in which you need to defend yourself/life with your firearm usually happens very fast and the last thing you want is to remember is to chamber a round. You might not have time or even remember to when under stress.

I would recommend renting or borrowing and shooting any pistol she's interested in carrying, try before you buy. This is when you find out if she comfortable shooting it, if she can operate the controls, pull the slide back (some women can't), etc.
 

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I have the V3 without Safety. I originally ordered one with the Safety but my LGS was shipped the wrong one which i bought anyway.
As a fairly new owner, with my VP9 1st before P30sk, I was always worried about negligent discharge.
So my priority was getting a Safety, then DA/SA because of that initial 11lb trigger pull for that added safety and avoid the easy 5lb LEM trigger..cuz i was thinking SAFE.

As I practiced and got even more familiar with firearms, I find that any negligent discharge in any of these versions will be MY Error in assuming each of these additional safe will allow me to be less careful when handling or holstering my firearms.

I consider handling each of these versions like getting used to handling the stick and clutch of any Manual shift cars, as long as you train with it, you'll get used to it.
With that said though, I recently purchased a P30L in LEM and love it. I will still keep my P30sk in V3 but wouldnt mind a V1 now. Still can keep my thumb on hammer when holstering.

As far as one in the chamber, I keep one in and maintain safe control and keep it holstered. Ive seen too many videos where people under stress dont rack the slide to chamber the cartridge and didnt end well.

Hopefully your range has each of the models or at least triggers that you're looking for and she enjoys it.
 
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