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Does anyone know for sure if the p7m8 is california legal? I have one for sale, but the guy who wants it is in cali. Thanks for any help!
 

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Does anyone know for sure if the p7m8 is california legal? I have one for sale, but the guy who wants it is in cali. Thanks for any help!
Sounds like his issue. Be sure to charge him twice it's worth, though, since that's what things sell for in CA.
 

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That state is like a different country!
 

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Yep not legal ..Only way you could legaly sell it to him is

1. If you lived in state and did it PTP at a FFL
2. You are family to him and do it interfamily
3. He is leo/gov or other person allowed to buy off list

At one point you could do SSE but that is dead not sure if there was a work around I dont think so

Really unless he is a cop or other un list people skip it ..
 

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For the record, it's not "illegal" here in CA. It's simply no longer on the roster of approved handguns (already mentioned above) - which simply affects how it could be bought or sold. Just as wrongrecroom listed.
But there are zero legal issues with owning, possessing or shooting the weapon.

I realize that is s semantic, because for all intents, it kills our ability to "import" such things from the free states...
 

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Well, call it what you want but that "approved handgun" roster is doing exactly what it was designed to do: reduce the number of new semi-auto pistols available for purchase down to ZERO.
 

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Well, call it what you want but that "approved handgun" roster is doing exactly what it was designed to do: reduce the number of new semi-auto pistols available for purchase down to ZERO.
What is being done to remove those (legally) who impose such drivel, restore some semblance of sanity, respect for liberty, and the right to keep, and bear arms?


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Yep not legal ..Only way you could legaly sell it to him is

1. If you lived in state and did it PTP at a FFL
2. You are family to him and do it interfamily
3. He is leo/gov or other person allowed to buy off list

At one point you could do SSE but that is dead not sure if there was a work around I dont think so

Really unless he is a cop or other un list people skip it ..
Hmm wonder why my posted was deleted?

Anyways to quote wrongrecroom, the big loophole I believe is to have a family member OUT of state transfer a P7 to a family member residing into CA. Then that person gifted by family member can then turn around and sell the P7 IN CA.

And I read recent LEOs got busted trying to workaround the gun laws and get a free ticket to Club Fed, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

Whether right or wrong, I think the incentive to do these transfers exists considering that P7s routinely go for ~ 30% higher in CA in listings I have observed on CALGUNS.
 

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If it sells in CA, you cannot send it from one FFL to another; You have to bring the P7 in yourself and be present to sign the papers. Otherwise, it is considered a dealer sell, and if it's not approved, you cannot sell it.

Wonderful PRK laws in action!
 

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There is a substantial amount of misinformation about off roster handgun purchases in California.

Private Party Transfer within California (PPT) must occur between two residents of California, who must provide proof of residency. The selling FFL, who follows state law, will ask and verify proof of residency from both seller and buyer. You can't come into the state to perform a PPT.

Transferring firearms between family members can be found in this link. You can't do a brother to brother transfer. All CA transfers must take place through a CA FFL.

Transferring Firearms Among Some Family Members - Calguns Foundation Wiki

Thank goodness I already own a P7 and P7M8, which are not on the "safe handguns roster."
 

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There is a substantial amount of misinformation about off roster handgun purchases in California.

Private Party Transfer within California (PPT) must occur between two residents of California, who must provide proof of residency. The selling FFL, who follows state law, will ask and verify proof of residency from both seller and buyer. You can't come into the state to perform a PPT.

Transferring firearms between family members can be found in this link. You can't do a brother to brother transfer. All CA transfers must take place through a CA FFL.

Transferring Firearms Among Some Family Members - Calguns Foundation Wiki

Thank goodness I already own a P7 and P7M8, which are not on the "safe handguns roster."
Thanks for this reference. I was previously mentioning an out of state gift transfer to CA family member as it states:

"Example of interstate intrafamilial transfer

Suppose you live in California, and your grandparent lives in Texas. Your grandparent wants to give you a pistol as a gift.
Since your grandparent is yet living, this transfer is not an inheritance.
Because it is interstate, Texas to California, the pistol must go to a CA FFL - the receiver may not take possession until the transfer has occurred at the CA FFL - so
1. CALL the FFL ahead of time to see if he understands interstate intrafamilial transfer; any FFL who suggests you do not need his services for an interstate intrafamilial transfer does NOT understand it.
2. ASK about the fees; there are no regulations limiting the transfer fees on interstate transfer.
3. ASK whether the FFL will accept a shipment from a non-licensed person; that is legal, but some have a business practice to accept only from other licensed persons.
Handguns transferred via intrafamilial transfer are NOT subject to the Roster.
Handguns should be accompanied by a letter of gift, specifying giver's name and relationship (e.g. John Smith, Grandfather), the handgun (e.g. Glock 17 9mm pistol, serial 12345), and the receiver's name (e.g. Little Jimmy Smith).
Since the transfer must use a CA FFL, the ordinary rules for an FFL transfer must be followed, including background check and 10-day wait. The receiver should be at least 18 years old for a long gun, 21 for a handgun; if a handgun, the receiver may have an unexpired Handgun Safety Certificate; otherwise, from 2015 forward, a Firearms Safety Certificate is required for any firearm.
The FFL should use the DROS "Curio/Relic/Exempt" process, and add a comment "27870PC intrafamily transfer"."

So as long as a CA FFL is involved, this type of transfer (up to 5 per year) of out-of-state P7s into CA can occur.

Is this how you read it?
 

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Many are tired of hearing it, BUT Californians need to fix their mess by starting in Sacramento. Unbelievable madness is an understatement.


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Many are tired of hearing it, BUT Californians need to fix their mess by starting in Sacramento. Unbelievable madness is an understatement.
I don't disagree with you. However, 2/3 of the state is controlled by liberals hell-bent on destroying the 2A. Nonetheless, the fight continues.
 

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This is a one party state. It's done.

Most of us are leaving for "free states" as soon as practicable.

Some socialist poxes on the citizenry here are possible to overturn, like the gas/car registration taxes, which were recently foisted on everyone, against the will of the electorate. However, I wouldn't hold my breath about gun restrictions; the state voted for the Calif. Safe Act ("Gunmageddon") handily, which ratcheted up already unconstitutional gun restrictions here by a mile. People here are lemmings. The only hope is the Supreme Court.

A good and true federal judge here in California held up the Ex Post Facto magazine ban and confiscation scheme, but the rest is still standing.

The buyer in CA probably needs to find one used here in CA, unless he is an LEO. The Handgun Roster and magazine purchase restrictions (not applicable in this case) do not apply to Law Enforcement officers here.

A real shame, since it was a cynical and thinly veiled scheme to deprive the citizenry of modern handguns, and yes, it is working, after a fashion. There is a limited and finite pool of used firearms present in the state for law-abiding citizens to purchase.

In the end, it will be one amongst a litany of factors which cause the harried people here to vote with their feet and abandon this state, and which make it's eventual bankruptcy and collapse inevitable.
 
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Plus about 1/3 of the total number of welfare recipients in the USA live in California. Yet California only has about 12% of US total population. Who do you think the welfare recipients vote for....?

The Democrats have a lock on the votes in California. A few years ago they even figured out how to make it so that felons can vote. As long as the felons are not in prison they vote. Who do you think they vote for...?
 
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