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"Your thread Question about a P7M13SD... was moved to a different forum. Reason: Your thread was moved to the price checking section of the forum"
Why my post was deleted??? I can't find the price checking section and I didn't ask a estimate value. Please do not delete it again.

This is the handgun section and I only asked if the fact that a P7M13SD with a genuine SD barrel with a one year later code than the rest of the gun would hurt its value vs a P7M13SD without double proof markings (my regular P7M13 and those from a friend have no date code or proof marking present on the barrel. Only the eagle over N ).

I believe this gun was fitted with an original SD barrel a year later. So is it still considered as a genuine P7M13SD?
Someone replied to me (before the thread was deleted) that its value should be below a regular P7M13. I'm surprised.

What's you opinion about it?

Here is some pics of the markings:
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I would think the answer would hinge on whether this barrel was added at the factory. If it was not, then it’s value would be lower than one that left the factory so equipped. So you stated that you believe it was fitted a year later. Do you have any ideas about who fitted it?
Either way you have an interesting and valuable gun.
 

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It is not my gun, someone offered me to sell his.
It looks to me the barrel is a genuine HK SD one.
I don't know why there is KD date code for the gun, and KE date code on the barrel. Must be a barrel change with second proof of the gun a year later.
No history from the seller unfortunately.
 

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Interesting. I think Bruce Gray may have turned some if memory serves, and I’m not talking about the long slide P7 project. Larry at CCF did the first threaded 9mm USP barrel for me that I am aware of when the pistols first came to market, so there were several smiths threading barrels for HKs in the US. I’ve looked for old pics here but i think they were a victim of the server crash maybe. The proof mark in your pic though surely suggests factory. Keep us posted as that would be a very rare piece! Someone will hopefully weigh in here with details.
 

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With no documentation I would assume and treat it as though it was a factory barrel assembled by someone not HK. As stated Gray did some as did others. All would be valuable but not HK factory valuable IMO. If the seller wants more than that would bring, perhaps they should have thought about keeping something that might show provenance. As few P7M13SDs as there are out there, I would think it odd that no documentation/box etc. was kept with one. It seems most knew these were collectible from the start.
These are very niche guns and others on this forum know a good deal more about them but me, including possibly production ranges as well as what if any documentation and items it would have shipped with/is missing.
I also have little to no confidence that calling HK CS or Gray CS would be productive, but I would give both a try, serial number in hand if only to hear them say “we don’t maintain those records”. Lol. The gun could be valuable enough to justify exhausting every avenue you can think of.
 

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in my opinion, a factory P7M13 would not be more valuable than this example, as the gun could be closely returned to stock, sans the barrel it shipped with, which wouldn’t reduce the value more than the added value of a nice M13 with a threaded barrel. That’s just my opinion however.
 

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I think if the barrel was swapped aftermarket and you have the original (important-undamaged from the swap) barrel, it’s value is still there plus the considerable value of that barrel. The proof mark it has on the barrel doesn’t help as every true accessory pistol barrel I have seen is individually proof marked.
Lots of “ifs”. If the original barrel is lost, it’s value is lowered as well. It’s still worth maybe shooter grade money (which isn’t exactly cheap with M13s, they are all collectible to a point lol) plus the barrel of course. It wouldn’t surprise me if it brought more money than a comparable shooter solely because of the added worth of that barrel. It would raise the price of anything it was on, including if it was just sitting on a box not attached to any P7! However, if the host M13 cannot be returned to “as it left factory” it’s value is lower than if it could be. So, I would think in order of value:
1. Factory P7M13SD
2. Factory P7M13 with both its original non threaded and a true HK accessory threaded barrel
3. Missing the original barrel but has this nice threaded one.
I think this might bring more than even a matching but shooter grade one, but that depends on the buyer, and really has everything to do with the barrels collectibility by itself, more so than whatever mix matched M13 happens to be on. It would have been worth (I believe considerably) more if #1 and 2 above.
Without verification I would think you have to approach this as though it a #3 in my examples. Respecting forum rules and your original question I won’t comment on “what (I think) it’s worth”, only in a limited way where I think it would sit in the market compared to factory options.
I really think if you dig as suggested above you might be able to find serial number ranges that would be helpful. The gun is likely worth the investigation if reasonably priced. 👍
Even if it is not original....if you are having “Suppressor Range Day” with your friends and pull this out...I think you are likely to win the cool pistol category IMO lol
 

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Last time I tried to contact HK Germany, I had no replies.
Try their Facebook page.

For the record, anytime a gun is changed from how it was shipped from the factory, I would no longer consider it "new". It's not, it's now been changed. Doesn't matter who did the change, it didn't come that way. I realize a lot of people will disagree with that & that's cool too.
 

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If this gun is in Europe, the barrel should be SN’d as barrels are controlled parts in most countries. If the barrel is force matched to the gun, then the value increases. If the barrel is a different SN, it’s a parts gun. If no SN, the barrel was not added to the gun in Germany.
 

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When a P7 series barrel has a date code on it, that means that it was originally sold separately from a gun or a conversion kit. In this case the pistol was sold as standard P7M13 and then sent back to HK to have an SD barrel installed. Date coded barrels are also very common in the P7K3s. The original P7K3 pistol or conversion kit barrels will only have the Nito proof mark. The barrels that were sold separately will have date codes and sometimes serial numbers.
 
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