[ptalar]

I have a PTR 91 I purchased new through CDNN in November 2008, S/N AW24XX.

I know about the ejection and extraction issues and I have those problems with my PTR91. I really don't want to sell it. But I want it to reliably fire any 308/Nato ammo. Not certain kinds.

I have a forged HK91 barrel in the white I purchased from HKPro.net a couple of years ago.

Will rebarreling the PTR91 solve the ammo cycling/extraction issues? I just want a reliable blaster for the range. I went to the range this past weekend and it choked on some new handloads we made. I thought it would of worked well on them.

What does the forum advise? Looking for guidance. Also looking for recommendations on who does the PTR91 rebarrel jobs.

 

[tcr39]

Yes,The new barrel will not have these problems. POF,RCM,FMP,hk barrels would be my choice.First ,I would see if PTR will rebarrel it for you,they have just announced LIFE TIME warranty. Its worth a phone call,especially if it wont shoot comm. brass loads.OR you can Contact GHILLIEBEAR2000 here at HKpro,he will hook you up very fairly with a rebarrel; he has helped many folks here also. Good luck with it.

 

[knc1105]

Ghilliebear can re-barrel it. I had the same problems you had and bought a new barrel too. But by the time you buy the barrel, pay to have it swapped and shipping both ways, you could do like I did and sell all the junk and buy a real HK-91. There are only 3-places in the US that I could find that had the proper equipment to swap the barrels and only one would return my calls or e-mails, and it was expensive. Don't believe all the hipe about the new PTR-91 G.I. either. I just got one and it's not as ammo dependent as my AW was, but it won't shoot the ammo that I have a pallet of either. Ghilliebear is the best, but when I was trying to get mine done he was real sick and out of commission then. The only labor quote I could get was $350+ barrel + shipping bothways, you do the math. And the PTR with a real barrel in it will not appreciate in value like a HK-91 will. I feel your pain, except I'm worse because I gave PTR-(3) chances, (1) AW# (1) A# and (1) G.I. There is nothing but a AK-47 that will eat ammo like a HK-91 and never let you down. PTR stands for Precision Target Rifle not SHTF or Dependable rifle.

 

[ptalar]

Thanks TCR. I will check with PTR next week. I did not realize there new lifetime warranty was retroactive.

 

[ptalar]

Thanks knc1105. I agree the PTR that I have is not a SHTF or dependable rifle. I will take your advice under consideration.

 

[knc1105]

Before you give up, check with Ghilliebear or Home RDTS were nice folks too, but only because you already have the barrel bought. But remember all the stuff you have has value if you want to hit the eject button. You can sell it all here or on GunBroker. There are folks that are content with going to Wal-Mart and buying box ammo for their PTR.

 

[superjc]

PTR stands for Precision Target Rifle not SHTF or Dependable rifle.

WELL SAID. Wish I never parted with my Century '91 clone, it ate ANYTHING.....

 

[tcr39]

WELL SAID. Wish I never parted with my Century '91 clone, it ate ANYTHING.....

YA, I bet it shot 6" groups also,instead of 1"with irons like my JLD properly built rifles.There is plenty of high quality surplus ammo everywhere.its not the buider ,it was the barrel maker that f*cked PTR INC. There are millions of horror stories about CENTURY weapons jamming,falling apart,canted tubes/sights and much more. Please dont go there bro.CENTURy SUCKS and so do CETMES.

 

[hkshooterusp]

Please dont go there bro.CENTURy SUCKS and so do CETMES.

I'll go there. I'm not going to argue with Century being crap but to say Cetme's are all junk is a revelation of your ignorance. Some of the well made Cetme's out there are fine rifles and run perfectly. Heck, even Century nailed a few of them. Typically, the early cast receiver units are some of the best Cetme builds and are every bit as reliable and minute of man accurate as any any HK clone out there. This isn't even counting the most excellent all original PARS Cetme imports.
Remember, CETME is the grand daddy of the G3.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Ghilliebear can re-barrel it. I had the same problems you had and bought a new barrel too. But by the time you buy the barrel, pay to have it swapped and shipping both ways, you could do like I did and sell all the junk and buy a real HK-91. There are only 3-places in the US that I could find that had the proper equipment to swap the barrels and only one would return my calls or e-mails, and it was expensive. Don't believe all the hipe about the new PTR-91 G.I. either. I just got one and it's not as ammo dependent as my AW was, but it won't shoot the ammo that I have a pallet of either. Ghilliebear is the best, but when I was trying to get mine done he was real sick and out of commission then. The only labor quote I could get was $350+ barrel + shipping bothways, you do the math. And the PTR with a real barrel in it will not appreciate in value like a HK-91 will. I feel your pain, except I'm worse because I gave PTR-(3) chances, (1) AW# (1) A# and (1) G.I. There is nothing but a AK-47 that will eat ammo like a HK-91 and never let you down. PTR stands for Precision Target Rifle not SHTF or Dependable rifle.

My AW PTR is a real keeper.. sorry you got some lemons

As to the OP question.. I recommend you try to find a nitrided barrel or have your bore hard chromed. You are only going to do this once so do it right

 

[knc1105]

Hey Blitz what are you shooting in it? I have several cases of Privi that's supposed to show up any minute and I'm heading to the range. The first two PTR's shot like a bull barreled bolt gun, just would not run with surplus ammo or anything I could buy in bulk. Chris was nice at PTR but I just don't want folks to think a G.I. will solve all their problems either. If it will shoot the Privi--well, I'll keep it and just buy 4 or 5 cases for it. But I would rather have it shoot the ammo I have that shoots 1/2 MOA out of my HK. I'm going to see today if they all will shoot the Privi and I'll sell my Fabrique Nationale ammo and buy Privi. You would think Belgian ammo in a German design would be ok. The FN stuff worked exactly with the yardages on my rear drum sight. With a range finder in your pocket you were deadly. Time will tell. Ken

 

[OldIronsights]

YA, I bet it shot 6" groups also,instead of 1"with irons like my JLD properly built rifles.There is plenty of high quality surplus ammo everywhere.its not the buider ,it was the barrel maker that f*cked PTR INC. There are millions of horror stories about CENTURY weapons jamming,falling apart,canted tubes/sights and much more. Please dont go there bro.CENTURy SUCKS and so do CETMES.

OMG... When I was at a recent gunshow I looked at a NIB Century CETME and about puked. I mean **I** can weld better than that. Crap, it had bits of wirefeed still stuck to the clumpy welds.

I bought the PTR-GI because I could not imagine putting money out for a Century CETME, didn't have the money for an HK, and wanted it right then, when I had the money, lest I spend it on something else before the (theoretical) 2012 election.

I can make a PTR work better with hardened HK parts... I can't fix crap welds.

 

[spqr476]

Hey Blitz what are you shooting in it? I have several cases of Privi that's supposed to show up any minute and I'm heading to the range. The first two PTR's shot like a bull barreled bolt gun, just would not run with surplus ammo or anything I could buy in bulk. Chris was nice at PTR but I just don't want folks to think a G.I. will solve all their problems either. If it will shoot the Privi--well, I'll keep it and just buy 4 or 5 cases for it. But I would rather have it shoot the ammo I have that shoots 1/2 MOA out of my HK. I'm going to see today if they all will shoot the Privi and I'll sell my Fabrique Nationale ammo and buy Privi. You would think Belgian ammo in a German design would be ok. The FN stuff worked exactly with the yardages on my rear drum sight. With a range finder in your pocket you were deadly. Time will tell. Ken

My GI shoots FN fine. FN is tar sealed, as is DAG, SA, etc. it's the tar that causes the AW guns issues. PRVI is tar sealed, too. If it shoots one, it should shoot them all.

And of the PTRs I've got, I've only had the heart to go around 500 rounds without cleaning, but I've never had a malf that wasn't tar sealed ammo in a shallow flute gun, and those issues are remedied in my stable.

 

[ptalar]

I have a German FMP CHF Barrel For HK 91, G3 .308 18 inch barrel. What do you guys think about that barrel replacing the Thompson Barrel?

Are there other barrels worth looking into? I am going to use a German trunnion. I understand the Thompson Barrel uses a special trunnion with a large pin.

Any thoughts?

 

[tcr39]

FMP barrel is just as good as an HK barrel. I have a mint FMP chf barrel on my AG3 clone that ghillie built and it shoots very well. Its not as accurate as my wilson and TC heavy profiled barrels on my JLD91k,s though. But,you got one of the AW# PTR INC. shallow fluted TC barrels. FMP will work perfect and will shoot all surplus. Use an HK german trunion or possibly an RCM. Barrel pin size is up to the builder if he knows how to do oversized barrel pin. It seems to be an issue lately for some of the less experienced builders.

 

[ptalar]

FMP barrel is just as good as an HK barrel. I have a mint FMP chf barrel on my AG3 clone that ghillie built and it shoots very well. Its not as accurate as my wilson and TC heavy profiled barrels on my JLD91k,s though. But,you got one of the AW# PTR INC. shallow fluted TC barrels. FMP will work perfect and will shoot all surplus. Use an HK german trunion or possibly an RCM. Barrel pin size is up to the builder if he knows how to do oversized barrel pin. It seems to be an issue lately for some of the less experienced builders.

I appreciate your input. What are your thought about the HK PSG-1 Shneider Barrel Blank Finished By RCM that HKPro.net sells for $895. Is it worth the extra coin? I have a Schmidt and Bender Scope PMII mounted on my PTR91. Should I get this barrel instead to get the extra accuracy? Any thoughts?

 

[tcr39]

I,m pretty sure it wont work. You would need a different trunion, I think. Its ashame, because the TC barrels with proper depth/length flutes; shoot less than an inch groups sometimes for me with surplus. The TC barrels are very accurate and don,t heat up and spread groups like an HK91 standard tapered barrel does. Go with the FMP if you want it to shoot all kinds of surplus ammo. PSG-1 barrel would create cocking tube issues ,sight tree issues etcc,... I would only use the PSG-1 barrel for a custom build. just my opinion.

 

[tcr39]

I just checked and it sais it will work with a standard G3 trunion. Probably super accurate,if you got $900 to spend on a barrel for a $900 rifle. LOL Have at it bro,BUT ,remember;these rifles are not sniper rifles by any means. They are intermediate range rifles that should be mounted with no higher than a 6x scope. Save the schmidt & bender for the 26" barreled bolt rifle. I shoot at 400yrds with a 4x fero-z hensoldt and hit dead center on man sized sillouettes off a sandbag. To many moving parts in roller locks for precision long range shootin. Just my exp.

 

[ptalar]

Thanks TCR. I really don't want to spend $900. I might as well sell my PTR and buy a real HK91.

HKPro.net sells a replacement PTR91 barrel. Its a medium match grade barrel. Sells for $189. I assume its a TC barrel. Says it has the correct number of flutes and the correct depth of flutes. But Adam is out of stock. Any other source of those barrels that you know of other than PTR?
See link below:

G3 Barrel - HKPARTS.NET

 

[tcr39]

For accuracy,I would go with the TC barrel for sure. They are hands down ,more accurate. They are slightly heavier ,but again,they don,t spread like the standard tapered THINNER hk91 barrels. Its your call. A new HK91 rifle would cure all of that,but its still NOT as accurate as a TC heavy profiled barrel, Now the arguments will start.