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Now that many of my current projects are with their respective smiths/experts, i've been rather bored and had some time to think, I have a general idea. Now, some of my logic may not hold true and there are some general assumptions, so stay with me.

I've always liked the look of the G41; especially the G41K.

It's my understanding that the G41 fore end will fit the HK 91, suffice to say the G41 has a "full-length" front end (cocking tube/handguard)...for lack of a better term

Now, based on that and HKPro's listed specs, the G41K sports a roughly 15" barrel. And as we've seen with Arizona Response Systems, shortening a barrel to 15" and pinning a flash hider will get the barrel long enough to not have to SBR

Here's my $10,000 question and where my idea starts to break down:
If one were using a 93 as a base, can one move the front sight tower forward enough to accommodate the longer cocking tube and handguard considering how horribly thin the 93/33 gets? Granted ANYTHING can be done for a price, but can it be done to where the sights are still perfectly viable (i.e. not just "for show")?

I'm guessing the guys making the 34's are running into something similar.

Thoughts?...other than I have WAY too much time to think about crazy HK build ideas

 

[tmbrwulf]

Sounds like a cool idea. If POI is too low from the forward shift trim the front sight blade to bring it up. I think a G41k would be unique.

 

[JTinIN]

Always liked your projects, even if they have the potential to cost me money (i.e. G3K).

Was wondering which of the features between the G41/G41K and the HK93/G33/G33K you were thinking of in particular?

G41 Series
- Longer Barrel (on non K)
- Longer cocking tube (at least on G41)
- M16 mags
- Ejection port cover
- Forward Assist
- 1 in 7 Twist Barrel
- Scope mount (appears to be non standard to 90 series)
- Trigger pack attachment (close but not the same as 2xe)

 

[pb_removed]

- Longer Barrel (on non K) - Probably go with the 15" "K"
- Longer cocking tube (at least on G41) - Yes, to allow for the handguard
- M16 mags - a BIG "NO", Although convenient it's a poor performer in it's own platform let alone others that weren't designed for. AND even if I had the right parts to graft to it (G41 parts kit, which I don't), it would no onger be economically feasable
- Ejection port cover - No...an unnecessary cost. Same for the carry handle.
- Forward Assist - I'd consider it, but it's not necessary and would be a big cost
- 1 in 7 Twist Barrel - If some one is willing to sell me his 33 barrel (HINT) , but I could live with 1:12"
- Scope mount (appears to be non standard to 90 series) - most likely, I have another set of tabs and am using this mount on the G3K build
- Trigger pack attachment (close but not the same as 2xe) - Wouldn't make much sense if i'm trying to keep it Title 1. Might as well just stick with good FBI lower.

Most of the "look" would be from the trunnion and forward. Some "maybes" in there, but more or less it would be a 93a3 just dressed like a G41k more so than a G41 clone build in true form. Believe it or not, I do have my limits...as evidence by my 23E barrel sale . I had big plans for that, but once I started crunching numbers, it wasn't even close to reasonable.

It's one thing I love about the HK roller-locks, your wallet and imagination are the limiting factors. And things like this interest me much more than some of the current assault rifle offerings save the 416. I will gladly spend a reasonable amount of money on something i'll enjoy.

 

[JTinIN]

Thanks for the info and really need to dig out the G33 barrel and check the markings and get a fair price set for everyone.

 

[pb_removed]

Thanks for the info and really need to dig out the G33 barrel and check the markings and get a fair price set for you.

Fixed it!

 

[PSG1 Nut]

I am sure Mike can make it work for you! Hows the MSG3K build coming along?

 

[pb_removed]

I am sure Mike can make it work for you! Hows the MSG3K build coming along?

No doubt that he can, but difficulty = $$$$$.

Mike has only had it a little while. I didn't get it out to him as soon as I had liked since ARMs took their sweet time getting me my STANAG rings. I could have sent everything earlier with the Valdala rings, but I felt that they were absolute junk and had no business on my gun. I had also considered a different flash hider option, but opted to stay with the original plan.

The AK has been at Rifle Dynamics for a few months
The MSG3K has been at TSC for a few weeks
I've got a 1911 that needs to get packed up and out for rebuild...looking at Heirloom Precision for that.

Lot of neat stuff going on here with Pointblank's arsenal.

 

[JTinIN]

Any updates on the MSG3K project and what ended up being the finial specs?

 

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Any updates on the MSG3K project and what ended up being the finial specs?

Objection: Asked and Answered. LOL

Mike has only had it a little while. I didn't get it out to him as soon as I had liked since ARMs took their sweet time getting me my STANAG rings. I could have sent everything earlier with the Valdala rings, but I felt that they were absolute junk and had no business on my gun. I had also considered a different flash hider option, but opted to stay with the original plan.

Since I typically request odd-ball stuff from Mike (like with my 11 build some years ago), the specs are not 100% set in stone. At this time, here's some of the key elements:

MSG90/21E/G41 Scope mount w/ STANAG rings and Schmidt &Bender 1.5-6x20mm Mil-dot/Flashdot

HK21E w/ full-size 21E buffer. The recoil spring will be separate like with a 93/33 or 21E series; modified from stock G3 recoil/backplate assembly.

SR9 barrel (1:11" Poly) will be cut back as short as possible to allow for legal 16.1" length with given Surefire flash hider (Currently FH is for M14...subject to change depending on machining required). Barrel will probably end up around 13.5-14" when all is said and done.

Shorten cocking tube assembly and allow for mounting of 93/33/G3K - length Knight's Armament RAS.

Re-mark to "MSG-3K" (this designation seemed to amuse Mike) and update markings to be consistent with current HK roller lock markings (as per the MSG90A2 post currently in his shop).

I considered a paddle mag release, but decided not to. 21E cocking handle upgrade is still a maybe.

Not that I don't put a great deal of thought into these things, but this one I am especially proud of, and I have very high hopes for it when all is said and done. Against my better logic, I picked up a KAC EMC for a brief period; and in that time, I made some very bold comments on this highly coveted and expensive rifle (especially at that time) falling short in many areas. The "MSG-3K" is my thesis statement to show that even obsolete designs can be just as effective if not more so than their newer counterparts. I especially believe this in the case of the short-barrel battle rifle or "battle carbine". The G3K had been there and gone long before folks were at the drawing board for the EMC or SCAR17 saying: "You know what would be cool? A short, handy battle rifle in .308!"

 

[PSG1 Nut]

The MSG90A2s he had were sweet! Sucks they did not come with scopes.

 

[pb_removed]

The MSG90A2s he had were sweet! Sucks they did not come with scopes.

Had a hunch they might've been yours. LOL

 

[PSG1 Nut]

Had a hunch they might've been yours. LOL

That would have been sweet. From what Mike said they did not come with scopes from the agency, I would have liked to have one of them, oh well.

Debating on a FFL/SOT. If I do a MSG90 will be mine!