[Daniel333]

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/605901372

I thought they never hit the civilian market? Isn't the barrel under 16"? Is this just a 93 remarked?

 

[KBAR04]

It's a remarked 93, in fact I think I owned that particular rifle at one time. Hard to tell on the barrel, as that one could have been rebarreled, looking at the grenade launching ring. Some early 93s and 43s had HK33 barrels with pinned on flash suppressors.

 

[gulfstategaurd]

You can see evidence of the remarking (weldover, remills marks) by the top edge of the mag reinforcement rib. Probably rebarrelled so you would want pics of barrel markings to see exactly what they used, original 33 or reprofiled 93, or malaysian or even an aftermarket like RCM. Granted I have not read through the whole write up yet. They also added the paddle mag and swapped front sight post to GI. It looks like a nicely done rifle but who ever did the conversion you would think they would have marked it somewhere. So either the seller just doesnt know what he has or is being deliberately obscure about it.

 

[Daniel333]

thanks guys

 

[Steve_in_29]

That auction is why it is never a good idea to mark a copy as an original. As somewhere down the line someone is GOING to try to pass it off as an original.

 

[Darkest2000]

It's remarked, and not a very good one since you can still see some milling marks, most HK smiths can do better. The barrel appears to be original 93 length judging on how far it extends out, a true HK33 barrel would be slightly stubbier. So most likely it's the original barrel, just had the grenade ring added on. It's a real simple conversion.

 

[Darkest2000]

That auction is why it is never a good idea to mark a copy as an original. As somewhere down the line someone is GOING to try to pass it off as an original.

Not sure why this would be a concern. No one that has done a little research is going to think that's actually a real HK33 since it's a semi gun. And at any rate, what does the action of someone down the line have anything to do with what conversions I want on my own gun?

 

[Conelrad]

At any rate, what does the action of someone down the line have anything to do with what conversions I want on my own gun?

+1

DDG

 

[Steve_in_29]

Not sure why this would be a concern. No one that has done a little research is going to think that's actually a real HK33 since it's a semi gun. And at any rate, what does the action of someone down the line have anything to do with what conversions I want on my own gun?

Not everyone does research and will just take the seller at face value. Not really any different then paying someone to paint in the style of a Picasso along with his signature just because you like the way it looks on your wall. After all anyone that does some research will know it isn't a real one right? So if your heirs manage to sell it as a real one it's no skin off your nose then?

Fanbois are gonna fanboi I guess. Building something that looks like an HK33 is fine but since it's NOT a REAL HK33 trying to mark it as such without some kind of obvious tip off that it isn't what it appears to be is deceitful in my book.

 

[Darkest2000]

Not everyone does research and will just take the seller at face value. Not really any different then paying someone to paint in the style of a Picasso along with his signature just because you like the way it looks on your wall. After all anyone that does some research will know it isn't a real one right? So if your heirs manage to sell it as a real one it's no skin off your nose then?

Fanbois are gonna fanboi I guess. Building something that looks like an HK33 is fine but since it's NOT a REAL HK33 trying to mark it as such without some kind of obvious tip off that it isn't what it appears to be is deceitful in my book.

So, by that logic, why would you want a HK93? It's not a "real" HK33 either, just a look alike that doesn't even function the same. Like buying a Ferrari that only has 4 cylinders.

I will convert and modify my guns legally however I like it, I don't need anyone on their high horse telling me otherwise. If I decide to sell it, it'll be represented accurately and the buyer will appreciate the attention to detail. Whatever the next owner does with it is his problem, I'm not going to nanny someone else's action.

As for people that don't do research before they buy? Again, that's their fault not mine, I'm not going to let that change how I want to enjoy my guns.

 

[AGG]

Knowledge is a powerful tool--- always research before buying!!! :biggrin:

Tony

 

[Steve_in_29]

So, by that logic, why would you want a HK93? It's not a "real" HK33 either, just a look alike that doesn't even function the same. Like buying a Ferrari that only has 4 cylinders.

I will convert and modify my guns legally however I like it, I don't need anyone on their high horse telling me otherwise. If I decide to sell it, it'll be represented accurately and the buyer will appreciate the attention to detail. Whatever the next owner does with it is his problem, I'm not going to nanny someone else's action.

As for people that don't do research before they buy? Again, that's their fault not mine, I'm not going to let that change how I want to enjoy my guns.

Let me guess...critical thinking wasn't your strong suit in school.

A person would want an HK93 (not me though as I feel it's WAY too big/heavy for the caliber) because it is a REAL HK93. While remarking a rifle as an HK33 (pretending it's something it ISN'T) is just a way for a fanboi to get his jollies through mental masturbation while imagining he owns something he doesn't. No different then turning the lights out and pretending you are in bed with a movie star you will never be able to even talk to, while having sex with the fat chick you picked up in the bar at closing time.

By the way...rare-four-cylinder-57-ferrari-testa-rossa-expected-to-top-4-million at auction

 

[offrdmania]

I hope no one takes it for an HK33. Just seeing the neutered steel 0,1 steel lower housing should tell you it was originally an HK93. If I recall, all factory HK33s had a S,E,F pinned polymer lower.

 

[AGG]

I hope no one takes it for an HK33. Just seeing the neutered steel 0,1 steel lower housing should tell you it was originally an HK93. If I recall, all factory HK33s had a S,E,F pinned polymer lower.

Let us not forget the "0-1-25" lowers!!! :biggrin:

Tony

 

[Darkest2000]

A person would want an HK93 (not me though as I feel it's WAY too big/heavy for the caliber) because it is a REAL HK93. While remarking a rifle as an HK33 (pretending it's something it ISN'T) is just a way for a fanboi to get his jollies through mental masturbation while imagining he owns something he doesn't. No different then turning the lights out and pretending you are in bed with a movie star you will never be able to even talk to, while having sex with the fat chick you picked up in the bar at closing time.

Why don't you tell that to all the premier HK smiths that does conversions and remarkings, I'm sure they'll all be very interested in hearing what you have to say.

And no, the fundamental selling point of a HK93 isn't simply because it's a HK93, it's because it's the closest thing to a HK33. Just like most people buy MR556s not because they just want another AR, but because that's the next best thing to a "real" HK416. So inherently due to the laws most of us are subject to, we're already buying guns that are copies and lesser versions of the original. And people should be free to change/upgrade/convert these guns however they please within the law to enhance their enjoyment. No one can take that away.

 

[RegularGuy461969]

Let me guess...critical thinking wasn't your strong suit in school.

A person would want an HK93 (not me though as I feel it's WAY too big/heavy for the caliber) because it is a REAL HK93. While remarking a rifle as an HK33 (pretending it's something it ISN'T) is just a way for a fanboi to get his jollies through mental masturbation while imagining he owns something he doesn't. No different then turning the lights out and pretending you are in bed with a movie star you will never be able to even talk to, while having sex with the fat chick you picked up in the bar at closing time.

By the way...rare-four-cylinder-57-ferrari-testa-rossa-expected-to-top-4-million at auction

Awesome, still making friends!

Relax dude!

I had a 33 that was a 93 conversion to full auto. So there was no difference in the end which means the markings were accurate for the state of the rifle.

I'd suggest anger management classes. This isn't the first rant.

Or maybe yoga. But somehow you gotta tranquilo man.

 

[Steve_in_29]

Awesome, still making friends!

Relax dude!

I had a 33 that was a 94 conversion to full auto. So there was no difference in the end which means the markings were accurate for the state of the rifle.

I'd suggest anger management classes. This isn't the first rant.

Or maybe yoga. But somehow you gotta tranquilo man.

LOL If you HK guys consider that a "rant" you guys are some real special snowflakes.

 

[egroeg]

Typical of you to get caught up in semantics whilst you're starting arguments and mocking other forum members and more often than not Hk as a company. I'm sorry my inner Hk fanboy got a little out of hand there.

The sad thing is you have some good points at times, and I agree with your initial statements in this thread, but you're such an @##$%$^ with a chip on your shoulder.

I'm sure you'll have some smart response, but I might miss it before our exchange gets removed.

Merry Christmas by the way!(and yes I mean that sincerely)

 

[hkshooterusp]

Back on topic, I agree with those who said remarked 93. There are marks visible on the barrel but I can't make them out. Visually, looks like a factory 93 with a refinish and remark.

Y'all need to chill just a little. Opinions differ, we can each do whatever we chose. That doesn't make us wrong, it makes us free. Agree to disagree and move on like adults.

 

[RegularGuy461969]

LOL If you HK guys consider that a "rant" you guys are some real special snowflakes.

I don't understand why people like you visit the site and give people grief for liking the very products that the site represents.

You gotta find a better hobby than being a troll.


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