The future of HK pistols.....Integrally suppressed?

TLOU_Joel · Jan 20, 2017

Well, the SilencerCo Maxim 9 has now entered production, and IF (hopefully!!) the Hearing Protection Act passes in the USA....in my optimistic mind it could create a perfect storm solution for the future of handgun manufacturing.

Do you guys think that if the HPA passes, the new HK USA manufacturing plant could one day in the future start turning out an integrally suppressed handgun? I would be the very first in line to buy one. I'm intrigued by the Maxim 9, but it's a first generation product of its type, and I'd really like to see it get quieter/smaller/more efficient etc. I personally really hope the idea is embraced by other manufacturers (and hopefully there isn't some kind of patent by SilencerCo preventing this from happening soon - Idk, I'm no legal expert.)

I would love to see HK's take on an integrally suppressed handgun. I keep imagining a VP9 inspired by the Maxim 9, but with the refinement and engineering that we've come to expect from HK. Would love to hear HK Pro's thoughts

glow · Jan 20, 2017

^^ I like your idea. I was thinking more of a super P7, with the compact metal frame being friendly to adding on a bunch of additional gas system components.

4C Dragon · Jan 21, 2017

Never happen from HK because of company policy.

Unless technology changes I do not see it practical because of the amount of heat generated and transferred into the body of the handgun. My first question to the Silencerco rep a couple of days ago at Shot was heat and effect to frame, parts and front sight. He dropped his head and admitted that is an issue and the front sight gets so hot they have not found any material that can be added to provide any illumination. If you think a P7 series handgun gets hot during range use I suspect you have seen nothing.

mew · Jan 21, 2017

I thought the same thing, they sure were hawking the maxim what 20 or so on the wall!! Cool pistol though just prefer mine to be screwed on......

SSgBunny · Jan 21, 2017

I didn't even think of the heat issues, that's a good point. That and the size would seem to limit it to an HD gun or range toy.

TLOU_Joel · Jan 22, 2017

4C Dragon said:
Never happen from HK because of company policy.

Unless technology changes I do not see it practical because of the amount of heat generated and transferred into the body of the handgun. My first question to the Silencerco rep a couple of days ago at Shot was heat and effect to frame, parts and front sight. He dropped his head and admitted that is an issue and the front sight gets so hot they have not found any material that can be added to provide any illumination. If you think a P7 series handgun gets hot during range use I suspect you have seen nothing.

Interesting, I hadn't thought about the heat issue. Hopefully we see some thorough reviews in a few months where it's really put through some serious testing.

What HK company policy would prevent them from producing something like this? I've been under the impression, correct or not, that the US production facility would be able to produce whatever type of firearms they want for the US civilian market, no longer bound by the laws of Germany. Maybe I am completely off in this assumption, but I hope not.

UnivPD · Jan 22, 2017

TLOU_Joel said:
Well, the SilencerCo Maxim 9 has now entered production, and IF (hopefully!!) the Hearing Protection Act passes in the USA....in my optimistic mind it could create a perfect storm solution for the future of handgun manufacturing.

Do you guys think that if the HPA passes, the new HK USA manufacturing plant could one day in the future start turning out an integrally suppressed handgun? I would be the very first in line to buy one. I'm intrigued by the Maxim 9, but it's a first generation product of its type, and I'd really like to see it get quieter/smaller/more efficient etc. I personally really hope the idea is embraced by other manufacturers (and hopefully there isn't some kind of patent by SilencerCo preventing this from happening soon - Idk, I'm no legal expert.)

I would love to see HK's take on an integrally suppressed handgun. I keep imagining a VP9 inspired by the Maxim 9, but with the refinement and engineering that we've come to expect from HK. Would love to hear HK Pro's thoughts

Can someone tell me or point me in the right direction on a run down of the Hearing Protection act? Ive seen it advertised, but really don't know anything about it. Whats the current status of it?

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Klaustrophobia · Jan 22, 2017

It was recently re-introduced, but it was first introduced October 2015 and didn't make it out of committee.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3799/all-info
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/367

second link not working right now, but it's the same bill.

wrongrecroom · Jan 22, 2017

Trump Jr made a video at silenerco supporting it ..So yeah big hopes

Better yet B&T is trying to make and sell here there VP9 pistol ( no not the HK one the cow shooting one lol) .... That I am hopeing more people do .... A mirco intergal silenced bolt action pistol ie the wellrod would be very cool for trappers and the like or heck even just like it was made for farmers and ranchers esp if there is less paper work to get one

And yeah maybe HK will sell up a MP5SD pistol if they pass that ..One can hope right

4C Dragon · Jan 22, 2017

I'm not an engineer or even a well versed handloader, but the next step is in powder technology before we see big changes with suppressed fire. I cannot imagine a bigger change to suppressors other than what OSS did. The amount of available room, weight etc limits a lot of change to suppressors. I do think someone should be working on a cooler burning powder to be used in sub sonic ammo. Hornady makes a unique advanced rifle ammo line that producers higher velocities with low pressures that burns very very cool. If I were in the ammo business I would be working on cool burning sub sonic powder that would keep heat build up to a minimum, but mainly shoot quieter suppressed.

UnivPD · Jan 23, 2017

Klaustrophobia said:
It was recently re-introduced, but it was first introduced October 2015 and didn't make it out of committee.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3799/all-info
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/367

second link not working right now, but it's the same bill.

So basically it is eliminating the $200 tax stamp? Everything else stays the same?

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SpartanIV · Jan 23, 2017

UnivPD said:
So basically it is eliminating the $200 tax stamp? Everything else stays the same?

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As I understand it, it basically treats suppressors the same as any long gun. So if you were buying a rifle and a suppressor for it, it would be like you buying 2 long guns. No tax stamp, no wait time, no paperwork. Just pass the usual background check and you're good to go.

Klaustrophobia · Jan 23, 2017

UnivPD said:
So basically it is eliminating the $200 tax stamp? Everything else stays the same?

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No, it removes silencers from the NFA entirely. Unfortunately it still places them under restrictions as "firearms" as SpartanIV said, but hey better than nothing.

UnivPD · Jan 23, 2017

Klaustrophobia said:
No, it removes silencers from the NFA entirely. Unfortunately it still places them under restrictions as "firearms" as SpartanIV said, but hey better than nothing.

SpartanIV said:
As I understand it, it basically treats suppressors the same as any long gun. So if you were buying a rifle and a suppressor for it, it would be like you buying 2 long guns. No tax stamp, no wait time, no paperwork. Just pass the usual background check and you're good to go.

That would be perfect!

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