[SRTNITRO]

First pictures have been posted:



The -Hellcat version seems to fit decently.

I'll try to find the post thats buried in those thousands of CC9 threads.

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Photo credit: @fatmat27



Still missing pictures with TLR-7A, TLR-7X and TLR-7SUB.

Haven't seem anyone post a picture of thr Olight PL-mini 3 so here is. The mini 2 also fits the same but I don't like the throw lever on it.

 

[f308gtb]

HK never promised anything with the SFP9CC. They never advertised it as something that was coming to the US and never said you could have one. They didn’t bait and switch anything.

I disagree a bit, because there’s no way HK didn’t know that’s what the world was expecting for years, but they stayed silent and let those expectations ride. They could have shot that down 2 years ago when the SFP9CC popped up by saying, “relax, we’re not sending this to America, we’re working on something else quite different, so forget you ever saw this.”

 

[Doddste]

I disagree a bit, because there’s no way HK didn’t know that’s what the world was expecting for years, but they stayed silent and let those expectations ride. They could have shot that down 2 years ago when the SFP9CC popped up by saying, “relax, we’re not sending this to America, we’re working on something else quite different, so forget you ever saw this.”

Don’t get me wrong, I also expected to see the VP9CC version of the SFP9CC before they debuted this design.

I only take issue with someone claiming that HK “clearly stated” that we were getting the SFP9CC and that they pulled a bait and switch. That’s objectively false.

 

[AggiePhil]

Don’t get me wrong, I also expected to see the VP9CC version of the SFP9CC before they debuted this design.

I only take issue with someone claiming that HK “clearly stated” that we were getting the SFP9CC and that they pulled a bait and switch. That’s objectively false.

Agreed. They didn't clearly state ****. In fact, if you look, the gun was shown from inside a plastic box the entire time. The only thing CLEAR was that HK had/has a lot of work left to do before this thing made it to market. Much less made to market in the US. A lot of us ASSUMED we'd get it, but HK never said that officially.

 

[German]

They could have

Yeah, but why should they?

If you get involved with those guys that overhype, misunderstand either on purpose or by nature, see false information and spread it without any confirmation or simply make up stuff, etc. you'll get dirty, waste unnecessary time and get into pissing matches that are completely without any merit for a manufacturer.

This is a pretty good example for this;

Yes, they baited and switched. You can attempt to fanboy about to try and spin and justify it all you want, but they gave the clear impression that we were getting the SFP9CC after it was tested, but gave us this CC9 crap of a downgrade.

So they just ignore the noise and proceed with what they are doing, which is not releasing information until it is finally done. The rumor mill in between just fuels interest. One way or the other.

And all the way they sell all that "crap" they produce as of now.

 

[f308gtb]

Don’t get me wrong, I also expected to see the VP9CC version of the SFP9CC before they debuted this design.

I only take issue with someone claiming that HK “clearly stated” that we were getting the SFP9CC and that they pulled a bait and switch. That’s objectively false.

Quite right, they didn’t clearly state it, at least not that I ever saw or heard of.

 

[German]

This short video from March, 2023 , did a lot to drive up expectations of the SFP9cc.
Not to mention a preference towards a paddle mag release.

Well, the SPF9CC will pretty much like what the video promises, including having a paddle mag release.
So there's that.

Now you'll just have to get your legislators make it importable easily and you'll have a choice between the CC9 and the SFP9.
It's that easy (or difficult).

I'm pretty sure HK will export the SFP9CC to the countries it can export them to that are within the scope of their "Green Country" strategy, just like they do with the SFP9, SFP9SK and other guns. So it's not HK destroying any expectations, it's your gun laws and import restrictions.

So it's neither the personal fault of those that had their expectations up and now squashed, nor is it the fault of HK who are not in the business of managing fan expectations. As least as of now*.
Just learn from this that - although this is a US centric discussion forum - the world is bigger than the US (in the end even this forum is Canadian) and that there is more than the US market out there. Even if you are only interested respectively affected by the US stuff.

* maybe that will change over time with HK USA getting a new sort of magagement style and some independence. Their communication over the last couple of months, especially here on HKPro was different than it was before. So there is some change already. If it will be a good change and if it will stay that way only the future will show and proof to us.

 

[f308gtb]

Yeah, but why should they?

If you get involved with those guys that overhype, misunderstand either on purpose or by nature, see false information etc. you'll get dirty, waste unnecessary time and get into pissing matches that are completely without any merit for a manufacturer.

So they just ignore the noise and proceed with what they are doing, which is not releasing information until it is finally done. The rumor mill in between just fuels interest. One way or the other.

I thought of that too, it could be a lose-lose I guess, climbing into the rumor mill. I’m not saying they necessarily SHOULD have said it. But staying silent is not without cost also.

One difference between this and most other similar releases, where silence might have no real cost, is that in this case there ended up being two products in question, one known and the other unknown, so we and 99% of planet earth naturally assumed (yes just an assumption, but with pretty good reason I would say) that there was only one.

We knew they were working on a micro, and hey, there it is! Cool! Can’t wait till it’s here! No reason to think Skunkworks has a parallel semi-redundant project they haven’t shown us. But then a couple years later… uh, nope, there was a secret different one all along, so it turns out they developed two fairly different versions of the same thing at the same time, which is unusual. And on top of that, only one is for us, not both; we can’t pick the one we like. And the one we do get is NOT the one they know full well all of us were waiting for, and most of us wanted. That’s uncommon to say the least.

But no, that still doesn’t mean they were obligated to dispel rumors. I get it.

I’m still a little mad though, I wanted that paddle!🤣

 

[German]

Fair points.

And for us it's surely more emotional than it is for them. It's a pity, but that's how it is.

 

[f308gtb]

Just learn from this that - although this is a US centric discussion forum - the world is bigger than the US (in the end even this forum is Canadian) and that there is more than the US market out there. Even if you are only interested respectively affected by the US stuff.

A small counter-perspective, if I may… this is primarily Americans griping, yes, but we’re discussing the CC9 made by HK USA, in America, and just released, in America, where we expected the long-announced SFP9CC that we incorrectly assumed would be coming to America but now know isn’t. It’s kind of inevitable it would look America-centric at the moment, since it’s the big HK news in America right now.

 

[German]

I am absolutely aware of that. I just wanted to point out that this America-centric view is what mislead one guy or the other.

I do somewhat understand American views and am sensible to them, although I most likely don't and won't share all of them.

What I wanted to point out is that the world is bigger than it might sometimes look like from a certain perspective. And other peoples views, e.g. HKO management's for example, might differ from US views due to multiple reasons that even I might not always understand.

 

[Uncle Jesse]

As far as I understand it, Enforce Tac (where the SFP9cc made its first appearance) is a LE/GOVT-oriented show. Those customers will be able to get their hands on one if they want to because they can get around that ridiculous ATF point-system import sheet.

The main thing I find strange is why the ATF’s evaluation of the point-system is seemingly much more strict towards HK than it is towards Walther and Glock for similar products.

I don’t view the CC9 as a bait-and-switch. That wouldn’t be a fair assessment. It seems as though it’s an excellent product and I bet the 2nd-generation VP9 will be too. However, I think all of us would be extremely disappointed if the idea is to make it so that German-made HK products will eventually no longer be available in the U.S. market.

 

[German]

As far as I understand it, Enforce Tac (where the SFP9cc made its first appearance) is a LE/GOVT-oriented show. Those customers will be able to get their hands on one if they want to because they can get around that ridiculous ATF point-system import sheet.

Good point, too.

The main thing I find strange is why the ATF’s evaluation of the point-system is seemingly much more strict towards HK than it is towards Walther and Glock for similar products.

That's a thing that makes me wonder, too.
HK seems to have more things to change and take care of compared to say FN while importing Belgium made SCARs.

And that is not due to German export regulations. The "genuine" MR223/308s and HK243s are cleared as civilian guns by the BKA with an potential MR556/MR308 and HK293 designation and therefore exportable (as "long guns").

 

[ZuluDeltaWhiskey]

As far as I understand it, Enforce Tac (where the SFP9cc made its first appearance) is a LE/GOVT-oriented show. Those customers will be able to get their hands on one if they want to because they can get around that ridiculous ATF point-system import sheet.

The main thing I find strange is why the ATF’s evaluation of the point-system is seemingly much more strict towards HK than it is towards Walther and Glock for similar products.

I don’t view the CC9 as a bait-and-switch. That wouldn’t be a fair assessment. It seems as though it’s an excellent product and I bet the 2nd-generation VP9 will be too. However, I think all of us would be extremely disappointed if the idea is to make it so that German-made HK products will eventually no longer be available in the U.S. market.

Second gen VP9? Have I missed something? That’s very intriguing to me.

 

[AIRB0RNE6176]

I've got one for my Wife, and this is her first HK pistol. She's completed 3 previous CC/self defense courses with the P365, Hellcat, and Shield, and she loves her new CC9. She'll be in a December course here in GA with it once her holsters arrive.

I've got one on order for myself as a potential upgrade from my PPS M2. I've got a few EDC pieces already, but the CC9 is actually more in line with what I need and want (except for the pic rail). I may even purchase a third just to tinker with...

If and when we'll get the SFP9CC/VP9CC, I'll look forward to that as well and not as an "HK Fanboy". I like putting my hard earned money where I'll get the most out of it and for reasons that satisfy my needs and wants. HK puts out good stuff, thus the CC9 is making due for the Wife and me.

I can't recommend enough that folks actually try the CC9 (or any firearm) before passing judgment on it. Just my 2 cents...

 

[German]

(except for the pic rail)

Well, there's still always that solution...

 

[Uncle Jesse]

Good point, too.



That's a thing that makes me wonder, too.
HK seems to have more things to change and take care of compared to say FN while importing Belgium made SCARs.

And that is not due to German export regulations. The "genuine" MR223/308s and HK243s are cleared as civilian guns by the BKA with an potential MR556/MR308 and HK293 designation and therefore exportable (as "long guns").

The only thing that made sense to me as a possible reason was that eventually the ATF stopped considering the VP9’s trigger to be double-action (which accounts for a lot of points) just by virtue of being striker-fired. It is SAO after all. Even though I think the ATF rules are stupid and should be done away with, they’ve applied them consistently for the most part, or so it appears. However, how did the Walther PPQ and PDP get away with it? Maybe grandfathered in as a result of being an evolution of the much earlier P99? Who knows? I think there’s definitely something more going on here.

Second gen VP9? Have I missed something? That’s very intriguing to me.

The same HK rep who told me about the CC9 (well in advance of its release) told me the VP9 would eventually have to be produced here as well. Since that recent HK USA announcement stated that several new products would be announced between now and February, I think there’s a high likelihood that the new VP9 will be one of them. But I guess we’ll see. I don’t know what the improvements will be, other than that it was strongly hinted that there will be an FCU system. Either way, I’m sure there’ll be something new about it if for no reason other than that it no longer has to comply with the ATF import sheet because it will be produced here.

 

[ZuluDeltaWhiskey]

The only thing that made sense to me as a possible reason was that eventually the ATF stopped considering the VP9’s trigger to be double-action (which accounts for a lot of points) just by virtue of being striker-fired. It is SAO after all. Even though I think the ATF rules are stupid and should be done away with, they’ve applied them consistently for the most part, or so it appears. However, how did the Walther PPQ and PDP get away with it? Maybe grandfathered in as a result of being an evolution of the much earlier P99? Who knows? I think there’s definitely something more going on here.

The same HK rep who told me about the CC9 (well in advance of its release) told me the VP9 would eventually have to be produced here as well. Since that recent HK USA announcement stated that several new products would be announced between now and February, I think there’s a high likelihood that the new VP9 will be one of them. But I guess we’ll see. I don’t know what the improvements will be, other than that it was strongly hinted that there will be an FCU system. Either way, I’m sure there’ll be something new about it if for no reason other than that it no longer has to comply with the ATF import sheet because it will be produced here.

A VP9 FCU is actually a possibility?! Hopefully being produced here in the US would bring the price down a bit too. I’m excited!

 

[Uncle Jesse]

A VP9 FCU is actually a possibility?! Hopefully being produced here in the US would bring the price down a bit too. I’m excited!

It was hinted, so I think so. Considering that an American-made VP9 would likely be a (mostly) clean-sheet design (supposedly because of ATF restrictions on the German stuff), a modular system could only help it sell. It couldn’t hurt. Judging by the CC9, I’m sure it’ll be great. However, I really really hope that it will still just use the same old German USPc/P2000/P30/VP9 magazines and not some proprietary BS.

 

[DragonHerder]

The only thing that made sense to me as a possible reason was that eventually the ATF stopped considering the VP9’s trigger to be double-action (which accounts for a lot of points) just by virtue of being striker-fired. It is SAO after all. Even though I think the ATF rules are stupid and should be done away with, they’ve applied them consistently for the most part, or so it appears. However, how did the Walther PPQ and PDP get away with it? Maybe grandfathered in as a result of being an evolution of the much earlier P99? Who knows? I think there’s definitely something more going on here.

The same HK rep who told me about the CC9 (well in advance of its release) told me the VP9 would eventually have to be produced here as well. Since that recent HK USA announcement stated that several new products would be announced between now and February, I think there’s a high likelihood that the new VP9 will be one of them. But I guess we’ll see. I don’t know what the improvements will be, other than that it was strongly hinted that there will be an FCU system. Either way, I’m sure there’ll be something new about it if for no reason other than that it no longer has to comply with the ATF import sheet because it will be produced here.

Even if it wasn't ruled DAO, a Glock 34 style adjustable rear sight would get those 10 points back. It would be simple enough to slap on cheap plastic sights, then have the importer put on some US sourced sights.

That would be way less than what AK importers routinely do when they hog out the single stack magwells and knock off the pinned/welded threaded muzzle caps.

Provided the ATF isn't being arbitrary and capricious, which would be on brand for them.

Even without ATF or German export law ****ery, there's probably market incentive enough to do more US production. Some US LE agencies want US manufactured weapons even if Glock mainstreamed foreign branded pistols.

Hopefully, it's a sign that they can be more responsive to the US market. HK traditionally outfits much larger agencies than the typical US LE agency (46% of US local PDs have less than 10 full time officers!). Glock, SIG, and S&W are generally quite willing to do small batches of unique/resurrected products so long as you get in the production queue. OEM direct optic cut slides, 'discontinued' pistol variants, etc, are a guaranteed order of a few dozen pistols away, if even that many.