[Armed Anthropologist]

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Sticker on mag says 10+1, let's hope that extension on the other mag is not just a pinky extension but also a capacity extension...

Looks ugly and cheap. FEELS LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH. Not even remotely resembling the SFC9 we were led to expect. No way am I buying this. Any money the SFC9 would have cost me will be invested in buying German HKs before they become unobtanium and the brand is Sig'd between slop and ultra-premium offerings.

Deeply disappointed; concerned for the production quality of the recently announced American factory.

 

[Armed Anthropologist]

Bait and switch; not what we were led to expect. Deeply concerning for the future of the brand and forthcoming American operations. HK appears to have been Sig'd.

 

[German]

the SFC9 we were led to expect.

What SFC9?

 

[hkshooterusp]

HK appears to have been Sig'd.

Reenforced by the HKUSA announcement. Could go well, or not. Will pay a noncommittal sideways glance in the general direction of the "company" until the jury is out in a year or two. Until then, hell, I'm old and have what I need. No new fangled trinket is going to change what I need.

 

[RetropM]

Deeply disappointed; concerned for the production quality of the recently announced American factory.

There is no way to infer production quality based on the single picture provided. You not liking an aesthetic choice has nothing to do with product quality or reliability. It really looks like you registered here just to slam HK's new product.

Also, unlike the prior SIG situation, HK Germany still wholly owns and oversees HK USA.

FEELS LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH. Not even remotely resembling the SFC9 we were led to expect.

For everyone: HK never showed the SFP9cc in the US, nor did they ever indicate that it was coming to the US. The only thing anyone here is a victim of is their own expectations.

 

[German]

For everyone: HK never showed the SFP9cc in the US, nor did they ever indicate that it was coming to the US. The only thing anyone here is a victim of is their own expectations.

And there has been talk about two different variants, one US and one German, for quite a while.

 

[YVK]

I can't believe the disdain on this forum.
If y'all think it looks like a Taurus, then it looks close enough to the SFP9cc as well. I mean it's a micro pistol, what do you expect?

You didn't know that a chunk of HK ownership was based on image and sex appeal, or didn't realize how big that chunk was?

 

[MichaelVain]

And there has been talk about two different variants, one US and one German, for quite a while.

I would argue these are 2 different pistols, not 2 variants, e.g. USP Elite and Expert based off the USP.

 

[TheJerkman]

If that is real going to be the flop of the century. Looks like someone attempted to polish a turd and just ended up with a soupy pile of 💩

 

[German]

Living up to the choosen username?

 

[TheJerkman]

Living up to the choosen username?

Just speaking the truth. Compared to the sfpcc this looks like hot garbage. Grip looks way too long

 

[jdjones]

Maybe they’ll release the “Taurus Edition” for a year or two until everybody buys one (some doing so begrudgingly), and then they’ll start to introduce the features of the European edition in stages so we can all buy some more. Kind of like how Sig (brilliantly) keeps releasing variants to keep sales propped up.

I’ll keep my VP9 for now. If I want something smaller than I’ll just get a G43X, subject to all of us being wrong when the new model(s) are available.

 

[AggiePhil]

I liked the look of the SFP9CC more, but if this thing checks the boxes as a good carry gun, I really don't care how it looks. Once it comes out, I'm sure I'll get one and compare it to my G43X MOS. If it works just as good or better, I'll rock it. Simple as that. Tried the same thing with a VP9SK and didn't like it.

 

[Atz1]

It’s pretty normal for there to be a backlash when a large company with a big fanbase introduces something new. However, in this case, it really does feel like HK might be taking a step in the wrong direction.

Let’s consider for a moment why so many of us are drawn to HK in the first place:

• Iconic designs with a storied history of police and military use
• Extremely high quality and reliable products: "No Compromise"
• Designed and Made in Germany cool factor

The police and military usage of HK products cannot be overstated. The fact is, people want what the police and military use—it’s a significant part of what gives HK firearms their cachet. There's a reason why people here are obsessed with the MP5 but most people don't really care about the HK770. Or why people would love to get their hands on a G36 but feel only lukewarmly to the SL8. I really doubt that the MK23 would have the same cool factor if it wasn't expressly designed for and then briefly used by SOCOM.

The CC9 is coming out left field here. Its design language does not strongly reflect existing HK products (and in fact, evokes some non-HK ones). It appears to be designed wholly for the US consumer market and has no police or military pedigree. While the VP9 was a new product largely aimed at the consumer market, the near-identical SFP9 was released simultaneously in Europe and had been developed for the Bavarian State Police. The VP9 also retained German-style features, such as the paddle magazine release. The SFP9CC felt like an HK. The CC9... I'm not sure.

Now, this isn’t to say that there shouldn’t be room in HK’s catalog for firearms designed from the ground up for the civilian market. However, I think HK USA really needs to keep in mind why people are so obsessed with HK in the first place. Hopefully the next two products will show me they haven't forgotten that. If they have, well... I might have a new logo for them to consider.

 

[Notsure24]

Hmm really had my heart set on the SFP9cc after seeing it over the past several months, now I'm not sure how I feel. Definitely prefer the looks of the SFP9cc over the CC9. The SFP9cc just looks classier and has better proportions in my eyes.

I'll keep an open mind on the CC9 and wait for more information, pictures, and reviews, but I think this may actually push me toward a P2000sk. Been carrying a PPQ with a compensator all summer and occasionally a PPS, but only if being discreet is an absolute necessity. Wanting something in-between size wise with at least a 10 round capacity, but none of the micros are really doing it for me.

The P2000sk and G43x are the only small semi-autos that feel just right in hand to me. Never bought a p2000sk though. Maybe next year.

 

[Armed Anthropologist]

There is no way to infer production quality based on the single picture provided. You not liking an aesthetic choice has nothing to do with product quality or reliability. It really looks like you registered here just to slam HK's new product.

Also, unlike the prior SIG situation, HK Germany still wholly owns and oversees HK USA.



For everyone: HK never showed the SFP9cc in the US, nor did they ever indicate that it was coming to the US. The only thing anyone here is a victim of is their own expectations.

Registering days before this unexpected product announcement? Clearly suspicious.

While you're correct that it's irresponsible to infer quality from aesthetics, the stark difference between the prototype and production model is noticeable. Additionally, the departure from HK styling and function cues allows us to responsibly infer they have deviated from other HK standards as well. Given the fact that this is the American production's first public offering, this is hardly reassurance that HK is proceeding with business as usual.

Precedents include Beretta's TN factory and Sig's outsourcing first from Germany, then to the USA, and now increasingly to India and Africa. This would be analogous to a Ferrari factory in Ohio: not necessarily bad, but hardly inspirational of confidence. In addition to this radically uncertain offering and the examples above, this does not bode well for those who expect the German HK we know and love.

However, Taurus, et al., demographics will likely leap at the opportunity to own an HK for $499 minus discount on Palmetto State Armory. This will likely increase demand for "real" HKs marketable at a premium price point. Overall, representing a boon for HK on both ends of the consumer spectrum.

 

[AggiePhil]

It should be fine if they follow Glock’s lead. Glock quality did not go down and the product offerings did not suffer.

 

[German]

Registering days before this unexpected product announcement? Clearly suspicious.

Another time for:

the stark difference between the prototype and production model is noticeable.

Which prototype are you referring to?

additionally, the departure from HK styling and function cues allows us to responsibly infer they have deviated from other HK standards as well.

Not really.

At least not "responsibly".

It might be the case, it might not be. Only time - and hands-on experience - will tell.

this does not bode well for those who expect the German HK

That on the other hand is a fear I share.
I hope I'm wrong.

 

[omega21]

• Designed and Made in Germany cool factor

You allude to this further in your post, I acknowledge, but most members here are not in it for German cool factor (like some 20 year old video game playing mall ninja), rather for German over-engineering, precision and quality of production. Those factors are not strictly "German" but are absolutely the DNA of HK.

I really doubt that the MK23 would have the same cool factor if it wasn't expressly designed for and then briefly used by SOCOM.

I disagree with "briefly used".
2000 MK23s were issued in USSOCOM, mostly to SEAL's, SBU and other SPECWAR units. 500 additional MK23's were assembled at Crane from parts kits and issued throughout USSOCOM, to include some support folks traveling down range. At least some were carried and used in combat by all manner of SOF operators. HK says this includes Army Special Forces (unclear if they mean Green Berets or the more generic "special forces"). USSOCOM deployed the MK23 in 1996. Purportedly, they are still sitting in USSOCOM arms rooms today, so technically still "in use" but we know that most Navy groups "shelved" them in 2006 (turned them into Crane). According to @PC7 , the SOCOM armorers course still included the MK23 in 2009. There's commentary they were used as late as 2013, but it's impossible to verify in an unclass setting. So even if you go with 1996 to 2006, I'd say 10 years is more than briefly. Just wanted to set the record a bit more straight on the venerable MK23

However, Taurus, et al., demographics will likely leap at the opportunity to own an HK for $499 minus discount on Palmetto State Armory. This will likely increase demand for "real" HKs marketable at a premium price point. Overall, representing a boon for HK on both ends of the consumer spectrum.

This is a good point a lot of people are missing. The VP9 was so successful financially for HK because it introduced non-HK fans to HK. Or as you put it "the Taurus and others demographic". While we HK snobs enjoy looking down our noses at all the Taurus, Springfield and Sig USA users out there, their money is just as green as ours and they represent a much bigger audience than us snobs. HK is not making this gun for you USP and P30 guys, they are making this gun for the Hellcat and P365 crowd (right @HKPRO ?). The hope is that besides buying a CC9 those new HK owners will also venture into VP9 and eventually USP/P30/SP5 territory and become HK converts.

 

[HKPRO]

@omega21 You meant P365.

I’m not taking a chance on a P320 shooting off my pee pee. 😜