[Racer 27]

Has anybody used this? It would count as a 922 part because of the pistol grip right? Does anybody else make one?

 

[veritas]

US-made receiver for what? Please specify.

 

[Racer 27]

For the USC to UMP. Here is a link to it. Scroll down to bottom of page.
http://www.top-notchparts.com/new_page_4.htm

 

[ghilliebear2000]

USA MAde ump rec .. he also is make barrel..

 

[Racer 27]

I guess if looking at the price between a new barrel and this you might as well get the new barrel unless you wanted to keep the H&K barrel (I do). Does the receiver come ready to instal on your USC? Can't find any info on it in the website.

 

[Max]

I went in for 2 but they haven't went to be molded yet. I will post a report and photos when I get it, probably a couple of months.

Ed over at HDPS has a one/two liner on his website stating he will be making some as well.

Yes it is a US part, but even better is that they are selling them as pistols.

Hence you can legally build a pistol configuration which you cannot do with a HK USC unless you register it as a SBR, then pull the stock off and add an endcap. (i.e. like the photo under my name)

Also, 922(r), does not apply to pistols. So the rest could be 100% HK.
Here is the language so that the thread doesn't get off track arguing that point:

"922 (r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported
parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any
rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of
this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable
to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to--"

The grip in the photo you linked to is a seperate piece and make by HK.

Of course if you use the receiver to build a long barrel rifle, 922(r) will once again apply.

I think for the price it is hard to go wrong.

 

[Chopstix Kid]

Has anybody used this? It would count as a 922 part because of the pistol grip right? Does anybody else make one?

The picture is misleading--while the arrow points to the grip, that is not the receiver (where the bolt-carrier assembly is located). They are alternatively known as "upper" - the receiver and "lower" - the pistol grip.

To more directly answer your question, receivers and pistol grips are listed on the 922(r) so if either of them are in fact U.S. made then yes, they will count as U.S. compliant parts.

 

[Chopstix Kid]

Also, 922(r), does not apply to pistols.

Max has a vaild point here. A pistol is defined by most legislation as lacking the ability to be readily fired from the shoulder position... hence no stock. If you purchase one of these in a pistol configuration and later slap a stock on it, it's no longer a pistol...

1) If the barrel length is longer than 16" and overall is longer than 26" (with stock folded) it's a rifle and 922(r) will apply.

2) If the barrel length is less than 16" or overall is less than 26" then it's an SBR and you have to Form-1 it (assuming you state allows SBR's). In a Form-1 SBR configuration, 922(r) does not apply.

My advice would be to very carefully examine and understand ATF and your state's legislation on the issue of 922(r), pistols and SBR's and to have a clear picture of where the gun you want to purchase/build falls within those regualtions.

 

[Racer 27]

The picture is misleading--while the arrow points to the grip, that is not the receiver (where the bolt-carrier assembly is located). They are alternatively known as "upper" - the receiver and "lower" - the pistol grip.

To more directly answer your question, receivers and pistol grips are listed on the 922(r) so if either of them are in fact U.S. made then yes, they will count as U.S. compliant parts.

Okay I thought that it was the lower receiver that he was selling. Does anybody make a US lower receiver? Not a grease gun one.

 

[Chopstix Kid]

Okay I thought that it was the lower receiver that he was selling. Does anybody make a US lower receiver? Not a grease gun one.

On the USC/UMP, there is no "lower receiver". The "receiver" AKA "upper" on the website appears to be made by them.

The UMP "pistol grip" AKA "lower" appears to be German (HK) made. They very well may make a U.S. made lower but from what I can tell on the website, it's a German lower.

The "grease gun" style you are refering to was a modification to the upper where the mag is attached to the upper on the opposite side of the ejection port.

I am not aware of anyone, yet, who mfg a U.S. made UMP lower. If you are concerned with 922(r), there are enough other U.S. parts you can use where-as using the German lower won't be an issue.

 

[Racer 27]

I've seen that there is other ways to go for the 922, but I was hopeing to use a US made stock, trigger, and pistol grip so I wouldn't have to get any mag followers or floors.

 

[Max]

Here is Ed's webpage for the US trigger and stock block C - which will allow for the US made stock.
As far as the US floor plate goes that is <$10 and takes seconds to change out.
The follower is US follower is <$20 and takes about the same amount of time to change out.

Those are about the 2 least expensive things you will do in your conversion.

The lowers can be had in many places:

http://www.hdps.org/htm/3.htm

http://www.hkspecialist.net/trigger.htm

http://hkparts.net/ump.htm

or get a complete drop in setup (UMP-3) from Top Notch:

http://www.top-notchparts.com/prod01.htm

Best wishes on the conversion!

 

[Racer 27]

My biggest reason for not wanting to go with the mag parts is if I were to get 10 mags that would be $300 dollars more to be legel besides what it would cost to buy the mags. That would seriously limit the number I could buy. If I could even get just one more then just the trigger I could save $200on 10 mags.