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Hi all, new guy here from Ca. Looking to get my first HK pistol, probably a full size .45 acp for range and HD only, not carry. I regularly see used USP 45 fs for around 700, but HK 45 is difficult to find and expensive when found, 1300 and up to 1700 new. Are the improvements of the HK 45 worth double or triple the price of a used USP? Thanks for your help.
 

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Man you guys in Cali are used to paying seriously inflated prices on firearms aren't you?

HK45s can be had for $800 and USPs for $600 with just a little patience. It all depends on what is on your approved roster, right?
 

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I wouldn't feel so bad about paying up to $800 for a USP but 1300-1700 for an HK45, no way! I see HK45s going for 900-1000 used on texasguntrader.com. Kalifornia is crazy.
 

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Get the USP unless you have very small hands. I have medium small hands and I have no issue with them. The "improvements" of the HK45 are all ergonomic. In fact, and HK45 is little more than an extended USP 45 compact with a better grip. The USP 45 is a tank, and holds 12 shots. Go find a cheeap UTL and convert it to LED and be done. On the other hand, if you are legally required to use 10 rnd mags then you might as well take advanatge of the better ergos.

I only own a HK45c at this point. Today I was shooting a friends USP45 tactical and I noticed that it had a lot more muzzle flip than my 45c. I think that is a function of the longer slide, the 45cs deeper grip (allowing a higher grip) and the USPs recoil gizmo. On the other hand, the odds are just as good that I am just more used to my HK45c.
 

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Hi all, new guy here from Ca. Looking to get my first HK pistol, probably a full size .45 acp for range and HD only, not carry. I regularly see used USP 45 fs for around 700, but HK 45 is difficult to find and expensive when found, 1300 and up to 1700 new. Are the improvements of the HK 45 worth double or triple the price of a used USP? Thanks for your help.
That's crazy dude. The most expensive shop in town has the hk45 for $1000 nib. I have seen them for $900 in other places. Haven't looked at usp's in a while.
 

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SSG Tactical, home of the $700 Glock 19's. If I would have looked at the other prices I might have known. Live & learn I guess.
 

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Since you are in CA, my advice would be to get 2 of the HK45 pistols while you still can before the end of the year. Find someone online that will sell them to you for around the $1000 going rate and then have them shipped in to a dealer that does the SSE

I would suggest the HK45T, but you can't have that in CA so no point going there.
 

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Everyone, thanks for the replies. Sounds like the prices should be more like $USP + $200 = $HK 45. This situation,albeit on a relatively small scale, shows how Gov regs affect the free market. The USP is on the Ca approved roster, so it can be imported from other states. The supply of USPs is practically limitless here in Ca. Otoh, the HK45 (and P30 and many other guns) are not on the roster, so only LEOs can import them as configured. If the LEO later on decides he/she doesn't want the HK45, it can be PPT to a non LEO. The result is a much smaller supply of HK45s available within Ca. Seems to me that manufacturers who have many guns on the list have a Gov created market advantage at least within Ca.
 

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SSE can add 200-400 to the price. So we're still talking a large premium over the USP. Do you think it's worth the effort/cash?

Since you are in CA, my advice would be to get 2 of the HK45 pistols while you still can before the end of the year. Find someone online that will sell them to you for around the $1000 going rate and then have them shipped in to a dealer that does the SSE

I would suggest the HK45T, but you can't have that in CA so no point going there.
 

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SSE can add 200-400 to the price. So we're still talking a large premium over the USP. Do you think it's worth the effort/cash?
The hk45 is one helluva gun, no doubt about it, but I don't think I'd pay that kind of a premium over the USP 45, which is one of my favorite handguns of all time. With the kind of money your talkin about spending on the hk45, I'd buy a new USP 45, some extra mags and some ammo and get to the range. My $.02.
 

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Considering the SSE goes away at the end of the year (or sooner) if I am not mistaken, I'd say yes, as you can get a USP any time due to it being "approved" but your window for a not outrageously priced HK45 is fast closing and having a second one may be a good investment later on as the prices would only go up once it's very hard to get them in.
 

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That is definitely a valid point. There is pending legislation to remove the SSE. If (or more realistically, when) this happens, Ca will have effectively banned all future handguns. The roster is already frozen right now due to the new micro stamp requirement. All guns previously on the roster can be renewed, but new models that lack micro stamping will never be added to the roster. I think the issue eventually could go all the way to the Supreme court.

Considering the SSE goes away at the end of the year (or sooner) if I am not mistaken, I'd say yes, as you can get a USP any time due to it being "approved" but your window for a not outrageously priced HK45 is fast closing and having a second one may be a good investment later on as the prices would only go up once it's very hard to get them in.
 

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I live in Calif. and have both guns. You can't go wrong either way. If you have a gun shipped in from out of state my FFL charges $75 for SSE and $75 for the interstate transfer plus you have to pay sales tax ( yes they found a way to charge sales tax on guns purchased out of state.) If you want the new ergonomics pony up for the HK 45 if not I think you will be happy with a USP 45 with a Hogue grip sleeve on it. If you are in LA and want to shoot mine send me a PM.

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I've just been through a similar decision making process with the compact 45's. The USP 45c is readily available, I've seen several recently in northern California and at least one store has more than one at present, priced at or under MSRP. The HK 45c on the other hand is off roster and thus hard to find and priced at a premium when one is around. I would have preferred a HK 45c because the grip fits my hand a little better, but getting one would have meant either making two trips (10 day wait) to SoCal where there are a few in stock for SSE, or patiently waiting for a used one closer to home which doesn't happen often.

Given those options, I bought a USP 45c. Doing so saved me anywhere from $250 to $450, and I'm still getting a durable and reliable and accurate gun. I'm also avoiding the risk of voiding the warranty or, depending on the fate of current and future legislation, maybe never being able to sell the gun.

Ironically I'm in Chicago on business right now and just saw three P30's in a suburban store. I can't easily get one of those at home either.
 

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If you live in Southern Calif. and want a HK 45c or a P30 EBRWorks.com has 1 Hk 45c and 10 P30's in stock. SSE is included in the purchase price listed on their web site. The web site has live inventory click it and buy it. Good luck with your decision.

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For your stated purposes, there is only one reason to pay so much more for an HK45: does it fit your hands. Otherwise, the USP has no peer. When the SHTF, your adrenaline will make disappear any niceties the HK45 ergos have. Go for the USP and practice as much as you can.
 

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For your stated purposes, there is only one reason to pay so much more for an HK45: does it fit your hands. Otherwise, the USP has no peer. When the SHTF, your adrenaline will make disappear any niceties the HK45 ergos have. Go for the USP and practice as much as you can.
+1 Add the $9 Houge grip sleeve and lots of ammo and head to the range and have fun.
 
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