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I simply CANNOT decide (and NO, I can't get both) between the two pistols. I shoot 115gr Lawman and can buy the P30 for $799 and the USP Full Size for $699. It's not about which one I shoot better because they both are good. I don't own any guns other than striker fired so this would be my first hammer fired gun. I love the history of the USP but the grip on the P30 is superior in my opinion. I am completely befuddled...
 

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I would say get the P30 now and enjoy your first HK gun. Then save up and get the USP full-size at a later time. Then you'll have the best of both worlds.
 

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Are you unsure as to whether you want to use a DA/SA with or without safety, cocked and locked, or LEM?

If so, get the USP. You can switch it between any variant you want and it's factory supported in that regard.

If not, and you know what trigger group you want, get the P30.
 

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I would go usp for the first, but then again I bought the p30 in .40 for my first. The usp is super modular so you can try all the variants in case you don't know which one you want for sure. Also, the lem on the usp is worlds better than the p30 without added work. Plus, doesn't the p30 act kinda finicky on the 115 grain till its broke in?
 

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Are you unsure as to whether you want to use a DA/SA with or without safety, cocked and locked, or LEM?

If so, get the USP. You can switch it between any variant you want and it's factory supported in that regard.

If not, and you know what trigger group you want, get the P30.
I guess part of my problem is a seem to change want I think I want all the time. I have no experience with the hammer fired SA/DA or safety or LEM firearms. I have no doubt I can learn with no issue but its all new to me. Not really a huge fan of manual safety but it isn't a deal breaker for me. Everything can be learned with practice. LEM is something that is very difficult to find around these parts. Almost like it doesn't exist. The LGS told me (and who knows how true this is) that the local PD actually turned in their LEM pistols because they hated them so much. Likely a made up story to get me to buy what they had in stock. Was also looking at the Sig P226 Scorpion but I won't bring that up here as it is likely grounds for being banned!
 

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I would go usp for the first, but then again I bought the p30 in .40 for my first. The usp is super modular so you can try all the variants in case you don't know which one you want for sure. Also, the lem on the usp is worlds better than the p30 without added work. Plus, doesn't the p30 act kinda finicky on the 115 grain till its broke in?
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My newbieness is going to show. What does that mean about trying all the variants? They sell the V1 for the $699 here so are we talking about dropping a trigger group in the USP myself? Does that eliminate the manual safety? Do you send it to HK for this?LEM on the USP is worlds better without added work- not sure what that means. THANK YOU for the reply. I need to do some homework..
 

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I would go usp for the first, but then again I bought the p30 in .40 for my first. The usp is super modular so you can try all the variants in case you don't know which one you want for sure. Also, the lem on the usp is worlds better than the p30 without added work. Plus, doesn't the p30 act kinda finicky on the 115 grain till its broke in?
Haha! I also got a P30 .40 for my first and she's a beaut, very soft shooting ;)

Hoghunter, I would suggest the P30 without a doubt, it's basically identical to the USP mechanically but with better ergos and a picatinny rail (no adapter! Yay!).

The V3 variant is the way to go, no ext safety, just keep it decocked on a loaded chamber and you're GTG!!

Just my 2c - go with your gut instinct, whichever one speaks to you will be the right decision, they're both exceptional firearms and you'll be happy either way...
 

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My newbieness is going to show. What does that mean about trying all the variants? They sell the V1 for the $699 here so are we talking about dropping a trigger group in the USP myself? Does that eliminate the manual safety? Do you send it to HK for this?
HK supports conversion between all of the variants seen here: USP

So that means DA/SA with a decocker for either right or left hand, DA/SA with decocker/safety for either right or left hand, DAO with or without safety for right or left hand, DA/SA with no decocker and only safety for right or left hand, and finally the LEM.

You can do it yourself, have HK do it if you ship it to them, or have a local HK armorer do it.

With the P30, however, you get the gun in either a DA/SA frame or an LEM frame. You can do the conversion yourself if you want, but only from DA/SA to LEM (parts kits are available online), and it's not a factory authorized conversion. The LEM P30 can not be converted to DA/SA unless you feel like taking a dremel to your frame.

So, if you're not sure what variant you'll like, it might be a good idea to get the USP. If you don't like the V1, you can switch it between all of the variants.

LEM on the USP is worlds better without added work- not sure what that means.
People usually remark that the triggers on the USP are nicer than the P-Series. That's all.
 

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HK supports conversion between all of the variants seen here: USP

So that means DA/SA with a decocker for either right or left hand, DA/SA with decocker/safety for either right or left hand, DAO with or without safety for right or left hand, DA/SA with no decocker and only safety for right or left hand, and finally the LEM.

You can do it yourself, have HK do it if you ship it to them, or have a local HK armorer do it.

With the P30, however, you get the gun in either a DA/SA frame or an LEM frame. You can do the conversion yourself if you want, but only from DA/SA to LEM (parts kits are available online), and it's not a factory authorized conversion. The LEM P30 can not be converted to DA/SA unless you feel like taking a dremel to your frame.

So, if you're not sure what variant you'll like, it might be a good idea to get the USP. If you don't like the V1, you can switch it between all of the variants.



People usually remark that the triggers on the USP are nicer than the P-Series. That's all.
Thanks, TGS. Appreciate the info. Ahhh, so many options.
 

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I would go usp for the first, but then again I bought the p30 in .40 for my first. The usp is super modular so you can try all the variants in case you don't know which one you want for sure. Also, the lem on the usp is worlds better than the p30 without added work. Plus, doesn't the p30 act kinda finicky on the 115 grain till its broke in?
All but about 100 of the first 3000 rounds through my P30 were 115gr, and the others (124 gr +p and 127gr +p+) were not really dumped through until close to 1000 when I was comfortable with my switch from carrying Sigs (best switch I've made). No issues what-so-ever with the 115gr in my experience and I've never had a FT-anything with my P30 or any other HK that I have. 115 gr in the P30 is about the least amount of felt recoil I have exprienced in a handgun, and the 124+p and 127+p+ are not a lot different...I mostly carry RA9TA though...just a little more bang for the 29 bucks.
 

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by the way OP, you can't go wrong with either choice...I own a P30 and have shot USPs plenty...I like my P30 better, but I'm probably biased. As others have said, the modularity of the USP variants is nice and will help you figure out your second, third, fourth, etc., etc., HK purchases...probably not much help, but the feel of a P30 is just not comparable to anything that I have held, shot, or carried (segway into the "sandpaper grip" thread...:)
 

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Both great choices. I won both and love them both. EDC is P30.
 

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Tomato / Tomato

One has a terrible trigger and the other is a brick. Both are dead reliable and are best in class. The USP needs an adapter to use 1913 accessories but the mags are cheaper, and parts are easier to find. The P30 is the new hotness that's proven itself just as good as the USP and it gives you ergonomics to boot.

The P30 naturally points higher than the USP and the long slide lock is a debatable feature for those with monkey thumbs.

The USP has many variations where the P30, has 2.

The P30 has a better mag release but the USP's can be changed.

All of that said, both are great, I went with the P30L. ...but I'll be buying a USP sooner or later.

A professional in the Gun world I know personally says the P30 is the only HK he'd shoot if he had to pick an HK.

I doubt I helped.
 

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Like everyone here said, you really can't go wrong with either. If you can, see if you can shoot both before you buy to see which one you like more. I wouldn't want to part with either of mine, but if I had to, I'd keep the USP. I love the character of it!
 

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Guys,
I simply CANNOT decide (and NO, I can't get both) between the two pistols. I shoot 115gr Lawman and can buy the P30 for $799 and the USP Full Size for $699. It's not about which one I shoot better because they both are good. I don't own any guns other than striker fired so this would be my first hammer fired gun. I love the history of the USP but the grip on the P30 is superior in my opinion. I am completely befuddled...
What is your intended purpose for this pistol? I would start there.
 
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