I haven’t seen a thread specifically addressing the VP9 A1. Does anyone have additional info?
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Do you mean slide swaps between Gen 1 and Gen 2 VP9s or just slide swaps between the different Gen 2 lengths?
Sorry I didn’t state what I meant very clearly.
I am wondering about the slides of the L and Match being able to be used on the new A1. With the standard A1 apparently gaining some length, it is kind of cutting into L territory and I don’t know that the Match has been that successful in the market (disappointing as I think it is the most interesting of them…except for the M). Without interchangeability, not sure HK will do either again as an A1. I would anticipate a Tac probably in both A1s considering the acceptance of the MK27/M18 etc. and their suppressor capable size envelope. I think that’s where the market is going (compact versus full size) at least for the mil with suppressed pistols.
Very little actually out/not speculation on the A1 it and all seems to be in this thread along with a ton of speculations and likes (not a criticism. It’s a discussion forum). Guess we will see soon enough. Lots of questions, like will production of the standard VP continue? I would think it would as the SFP9 has so much use in Europe and Japan and those contracts will need to be serviced. Otherwise you wouldn’t so directly compete with yourself in the same space. Not sure what civilians will gravitate towards a full size VP with a A1 in the case next to it. I’m also curious as the dust over on the compact looks long, almost like a standoff but not reading too much into this until I see one. Of course chassis or not is the question. Cool time if you like VP/SFP’s.
Semantics- I don’t consider the 2020 changes or standardizing on the VP40 RSA to be different gens of the VP, Just the VP9 and now the A1. If you or others see it differently 👍.
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It would have to be the VP9A2, the VP9A1 was the optics cut and 17rd mag release.
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Thanks for the clarification. That’s a good question. I was actually thinking that the pistol with the slightly extended slide in the video was just the new L, not the new Full Size. But now, if anything, I’d bet that it’s actually the one called “VP9F”. It’s probably very much like a P30L in overall size.
Like you, I also don’t consider any iteration of the current VP9 to be a different generation. From 2014 to 2024, they are all “Gen 1” as far as I’m concerned. I remember I had the same discussion about Walther where someone was trying to tell me there have been 4 or 5 generations of the P99 (there are only 2).
Agree. Can’t imagine trying to explain/jusify it like your friend did with the Walthers lol. But still….if it makes him happy and it isn’t meth…
Personally I don’t feel the need to rename models or accept that something is a new “Gen” unless the manufacturer does. But of course if enthusiasts want to go on about it and that adds to their fun….well they are still cooler than non shooters and this stuff shouldn’t always be so serious lol.
Although….come to think of it G didn’t start calling theirs generations externally until they got to 4….hmmm. What the what? You are going to feel bad if a new gen 6 P99 comes out. Lol.
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Were they claiming that there were 4-5 generations within the Walthers with the P99 name, or claiming that the PPQ and PDP were really P99 Gen 3 and 4?
I've heard that you can swap slides from the latter 2 on to the P99QA, and even the AS if you swap some other parts, so there's an argument to be made there.
But if it's the former, we could also claim that the S&W M&P 1.0 had multiple generations since that pistol had over a dozen running changes. S&W used to sort of do that with revolver 'dash numbers.',
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Multiple generations with just the P99 name. The rationale (shared by a lot of Walther aficionados) is that the 1st-generation P99 (the Pierce Brosnan James Bond one with the short slide serrations, “ski hump” trigger guard, and proprietary rail) itself actually had three generations because certain early models had some combination of different trigger safeties (the infamous “split” trigger), hooked trigger guards (for stabilizing pistol with weak hand index finger), and open-end accessory rails.
For most people (including Walther themselves), those were just minor production changes rather than distinct generations and that the only actual generations are as follows:
Gen 1 (short slide serrations, proprietary rail, ski hump trigger guard)
Gen 2 (enhanced slide serrations, picatinny rail, rounded trigger guard without ski hump)
There are two other P99s (but not in the U.S.) that could actually count as a 3rd and 4th generation. The first is the Polish-made one (a military trial entry I think) that introduced the ergonomics that would later be found on the PPQ. The second is the P99Q, which is basically a PPQ with a modified version of the P99QA trigger assembly. I wouldn’t really count either of them though because they never received any real commercial release anywhere.
Interesting info but can we limit the chatter to the VP9A1?
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Agreed. I was just answering a question though. And it actually looks like the same thing is happening here. From what we know, HK is officially going to call it the VP9A1, even though some people seem to think it should be called the A2. And the “A2” crowd’s reason is that the OR 17rd release in 2021 counts as an “A1”, even though it was never officially referred to by that name as far as I know.
Steve_MP5 claims at 01:00 minute mark that the current ‘standard’ VP9 is being discontinued to “usher in the new A1 versions of the guns”.
And James states in his TFB TV video that the VP9 A1 K 15 rd magazine is all new.
Well, that sucks donkey balls.
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I just watched the video too. I don’t think the 15rd magazine is “all-new” in the traditional sense. If I were to hazard a guess, it’s just a USP Compact (P2000) magazine with some updated internals and a new floor plate, or maybe better put, a 15rd VP9SK magazine with a different floor plate and no grip filler block. I may be wrong but I’d be very surprised if the new VP9K couldn’t use 13rd USPc/P2000 mags.
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the newer K-specific 15 rounders is the odd one out at the moment that it seems to be built specifically for that length of grip. Any existing 17-rounders will still compatible with both the K and the F, but it will be a bit longer-out on the K variant.
Having owning both the traditional and the SK variant of the VP9, i'm not rushing out of the door yet, especially i'm still on a holding pattern for anything HK-USA specific design (although would need James to do a deep-dive to see what is really changed internally to the VP9/SFP9).
Having owning both the traditional and the SK variant of the VP9, i'm not rushing out of the door yet, especially i'm still on a holding pattern for anything HK-USA specific design (although would need James to do a deep-dive to see what is really changed internally to the VP9/SFP9).
They've been out for a while. I'm running a 15 rounder in my P2000. With a 20 rounder for the reload.
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The new dimensions are interesting too. They appear to be patterned after the Glock 17 and Glock 19 almost exactly (with the old VP9 being similar to a G19X/G45 as it always has been). The VP9F has the same grip as the old VP9 but a ~1/2 inch longer barrel. The VP9K has a shorter grip than the old VP9 but the same barrel length.
The newly flattened finger grooves make a lot of sense. The old VP9 (and P30 for that matter) used the same size finger grooves for the full size (3-groove) models and SK (2-groove) models. This would have meant that a USPc/P2000-size VP9 or P30 variant would have had either 2.5 finger grooves or smaller finger groove spacing. In contrast, the Gen3 and Gen4 Glock pistols use two different finger groove spacings (one for the full-size models and one the other for the compact/sub-compact models).
The newly flattened finger grooves make a lot of sense. The old VP9 (and P30 for that matter) used the same size finger grooves for the full size (3-groove) models and SK (2-groove) models. This would have meant that a USPc/P2000-size VP9 or P30 variant would have had either 2.5 finger grooves or smaller finger groove spacing. In contrast, the Gen3 and Gen4 Glock pistols use two different finger groove spacings (one for the full-size models and one the other for the compact/sub-compact models).
Using the USPc/P2000 mags would going backwards. The P2000 is reportedly being discontinued.
I’m hoping that the VP9 A1 K uses the same 15rd magazine body, follower, and spring as the current VP9sk extended magazine (sku: 226346S). It’d be a huge plus to be able to just swap out base plates. Only because I’ve got a ton of those now.
The VP9 A1 F appears to use the same 17 rd (red follower) for flush fit and the extended 20 rd magazines that are in current VP9 production.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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But that’s not a magazine available from factory, right? You have to build it yourself from a kit?
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I thought that had previously required buying 17rd magazines and then transferring the follower over to your 13rd body?
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