What do you consider the "Must-have" options for a MM23E-K?
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Full Auto:
- Sear or registered full auto trigger pack
- Sear pack setup to use 23e ejector
- Possible send the sear pack to Mike to setup and check
- Get an extra ejector so you don't have to take the ejector out of the semi pack.
Ammo and Links:
- Another pallet of ammo (several of us have had good luck with Wolf, but would start with M193 or M885)
- The "no hole" links load easier, but works with either.
- Linker is optional, no faster but easier on one's fingers (I am nearly 60 and some of the joints have wear ;-)
- The linked ammo is too short for a 30 cal can, however, if you put a line of flat 20 round ammo boxes on one side of the 30 cal can, the linked ammo fits nicely (I alternate the direction of the ammo so they stack nicely)
- Linked ammo fits in a 50 cal in two rows with a sheet of MDF between
- Check on Mike's 200 round metal ammo tray (lot better price than the HK ones)
* Order one of the SAW box adapters
* Get a couple 100 round and 200 round soft nut sacks (they go on the SAW box adapter)
- If you get the plastic SAW boxes (harder to open), get the larger SAW ammo can that holds four SAW boxes and get the bandoliers (buck each)
Sights:
- If you are going to run an Aimpoint or other high end red dot get the optics rail for sure, as one can mount the micro Aimpoint nicely and co witness ... Redots on machine-guns work nice!
- If you are running low power optics (S&B Short Dot is not bad ;-) then have to decide between the rail and the MSG90 / HK21e mount (which can put the scope just over the rear sight).
- My MM23eK came with an optics rail that covers half the top receiver, great for an Aimpoint, however, might be short for some scopes. You can get a longer rail, however, carry handle unfolding may be blocked by a long/large scope.
- MM23eK comes standard with the drum sight, which works great for off hand shooting. An upgrade is the 1200 meter sight for longer distances, in particular with the longer barrel (will not be calibrated correctly due to shorter sight radius)
Mounts, Grips and Tripods:
- Get the "K" length bipod to allow folding back.
- Get the front battle grip.
- I like the German AA mount and Mike is coming out with an adapter.
- The "K" is not setup with the "clip on" tripod mount like the full size, could be added with some increase in weight and possible limiting a location for the battle grip (which is normally to the side slightly anyways).
Cases:
- I carry mine in a soft case, but some of the guys get a hard case that is custom cut to hold the 23e ... would be interesting if you can get one to hold the K that is a shorter case or possible with more cut outs for the barrels and/or 308 kit.
- Have a USGI barrel bag that will stand the hot barrels, you can also get German insulated meal tubes / cases.
- Get a set of light gloves that are heat resistant or at least 100% leather.
Barrels / Calibers:
- You need at least one short 223 barrel since you are getting a K. If this is going to be you primary shooter, then get a second barrel, as they last longer with changing ever belt or two.
- If the longer 223 barrel is going to be primary shooter then get two of these and one for the K.
* At least for a new gun needs a different locking piece between the short and long barrels.
- It is easiest to get at least one long barrel so the gun is a Tittle I firearm. Now if you are getting the 308, this long barrel could be a 308 barrel (you still need one short 308 barrel).
- Friends MM23e with a 308 kit is a sweet shooting gun and I have even though of getting a full size MM21e instead of the 308 kit ... it is less than two and half times as much.
- If I had to do it over again, would have ordered the 308 kit when I got mine, but the HK21s (not e) were always such a hard ride that I waited, sorry to say.
Video of short 308 barrel in the evening: http://youtu.be/Zldj3S4NJ5w
Spare Parts:
- Besides barrels don't go though many, however, I typically have an extra extractor and ejector for everything.
- A second full size MM23e is of course the ideal "back up" kit ... LOL!
Misc:
- I did not order a bottom rail as like the Battle Grip and HK bipod, however, Skip has a nice setup with a Grip Pod (need the metal one for the SAW).
- Bottom rail would allow a light (yawn) or using with a rail adapter on an AA tripod ... but wait to see what Mike is coming out with, if possible.
- Will be watching sling options ... not used one myself yet on the MM23eK
- The ACE folding stock is interesting and a work in progress for myself at the moment.
Other HKPro Threads:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/145149-must-have-accesories-hk-23e.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/153810-ace-stock.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/150743-hk23e-barrel-carrers-anyone-make-one-home-yet-2.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone...ions-23e-21e-anyone-setup-one-up-mag58-2.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/157506-mm23ek-point-aim-between-long-short-barrels.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/150786-mm23e-mm23ek-weight-difference.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/155400-supressing-mm23e.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/163210-no-mistake-purchasing-mm23e.html
MM23e and MM23eK Videos:
http://youtu.be/bsi_DE5Y18E - MM23eK with ACE folding stock, nut sack, grip pod and micro aimpoint on rail
http://youtu.be/7ODzlREDTQ0 - MM23e with Reflex sight on rail adapter on MSG90/HK21 mount
http://youtu.be/Zldj3S4NJ5w - MM21eK with short barrel 308 in the evening
http://youtu.be/UxlDKwCNEck - MM23e with metal ammo box and Tigicon optics
http://youtu.be/Hx4Rgt6qDF0 - MM23e off hand
http://youtu.be/ukg2FLj-Tog - MM23e Burst at Big Sandy
If you wish to talk, drop me a PM or e-mail (also check the website at http://www.556beltfed.com)
- Sear or registered full auto trigger pack
- Sear pack setup to use 23e ejector
- Possible send the sear pack to Mike to setup and check
- Get an extra ejector so you don't have to take the ejector out of the semi pack.
Ammo and Links:
- Another pallet of ammo (several of us have had good luck with Wolf, but would start with M193 or M885)
- The "no hole" links load easier, but works with either.
- Linker is optional, no faster but easier on one's fingers (I am nearly 60 and some of the joints have wear ;-)
- The linked ammo is too short for a 30 cal can, however, if you put a line of flat 20 round ammo boxes on one side of the 30 cal can, the linked ammo fits nicely (I alternate the direction of the ammo so they stack nicely)
- Linked ammo fits in a 50 cal in two rows with a sheet of MDF between
- Check on Mike's 200 round metal ammo tray (lot better price than the HK ones)
* Order one of the SAW box adapters
* Get a couple 100 round and 200 round soft nut sacks (they go on the SAW box adapter)
- If you get the plastic SAW boxes (harder to open), get the larger SAW ammo can that holds four SAW boxes and get the bandoliers (buck each)
Sights:
- If you are going to run an Aimpoint or other high end red dot get the optics rail for sure, as one can mount the micro Aimpoint nicely and co witness ... Redots on machine-guns work nice!
- If you are running low power optics (S&B Short Dot is not bad ;-) then have to decide between the rail and the MSG90 / HK21e mount (which can put the scope just over the rear sight).
- My MM23eK came with an optics rail that covers half the top receiver, great for an Aimpoint, however, might be short for some scopes. You can get a longer rail, however, carry handle unfolding may be blocked by a long/large scope.
- MM23eK comes standard with the drum sight, which works great for off hand shooting. An upgrade is the 1200 meter sight for longer distances, in particular with the longer barrel (will not be calibrated correctly due to shorter sight radius)
Mounts, Grips and Tripods:
- Get the "K" length bipod to allow folding back.
- Get the front battle grip.
- I like the German AA mount and Mike is coming out with an adapter.
- The "K" is not setup with the "clip on" tripod mount like the full size, could be added with some increase in weight and possible limiting a location for the battle grip (which is normally to the side slightly anyways).
Cases:
- I carry mine in a soft case, but some of the guys get a hard case that is custom cut to hold the 23e ... would be interesting if you can get one to hold the K that is a shorter case or possible with more cut outs for the barrels and/or 308 kit.
- Have a USGI barrel bag that will stand the hot barrels, you can also get German insulated meal tubes / cases.
- Get a set of light gloves that are heat resistant or at least 100% leather.
Barrels / Calibers:
- You need at least one short 223 barrel since you are getting a K. If this is going to be you primary shooter, then get a second barrel, as they last longer with changing ever belt or two.
- If the longer 223 barrel is going to be primary shooter then get two of these and one for the K.
* At least for a new gun needs a different locking piece between the short and long barrels.
- It is easiest to get at least one long barrel so the gun is a Tittle I firearm. Now if you are getting the 308, this long barrel could be a 308 barrel (you still need one short 308 barrel).
- Friends MM23e with a 308 kit is a sweet shooting gun and I have even though of getting a full size MM21e instead of the 308 kit ... it is less than two and half times as much.
- If I had to do it over again, would have ordered the 308 kit when I got mine, but the HK21s (not e) were always such a hard ride that I waited, sorry to say.
Video of short 308 barrel in the evening: http://youtu.be/Zldj3S4NJ5w
Spare Parts:
- Besides barrels don't go though many, however, I typically have an extra extractor and ejector for everything.
- A second full size MM23e is of course the ideal "back up" kit ... LOL!
Misc:
- I did not order a bottom rail as like the Battle Grip and HK bipod, however, Skip has a nice setup with a Grip Pod (need the metal one for the SAW).
- Bottom rail would allow a light (yawn) or using with a rail adapter on an AA tripod ... but wait to see what Mike is coming out with, if possible.
- Will be watching sling options ... not used one myself yet on the MM23eK
- The ACE folding stock is interesting and a work in progress for myself at the moment.
Other HKPro Threads:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/145149-must-have-accesories-hk-23e.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/153810-ace-stock.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/150743-hk23e-barrel-carrers-anyone-make-one-home-yet-2.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone...ions-23e-21e-anyone-setup-one-up-mag58-2.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/157506-mm23ek-point-aim-between-long-short-barrels.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/150786-mm23e-mm23ek-weight-difference.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/155400-supressing-mm23e.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/163210-no-mistake-purchasing-mm23e.html
MM23e and MM23eK Videos:
http://youtu.be/bsi_DE5Y18E - MM23eK with ACE folding stock, nut sack, grip pod and micro aimpoint on rail
http://youtu.be/7ODzlREDTQ0 - MM23e with Reflex sight on rail adapter on MSG90/HK21 mount
http://youtu.be/Zldj3S4NJ5w - MM21eK with short barrel 308 in the evening
http://youtu.be/UxlDKwCNEck - MM23e with metal ammo box and Tigicon optics
http://youtu.be/Hx4Rgt6qDF0 - MM23e off hand
http://youtu.be/ukg2FLj-Tog - MM23e Burst at Big Sandy
If you wish to talk, drop me a PM or e-mail (also check the website at http://www.556beltfed.com)
Great reference!!! Thanks.
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Do you have IR/NVG equipment? I'd recommend a rail added to the very front right behind the front sight. That'd allow you to throw on a peq15/dbal or whatever else you got.
Nothing like shooting from the hip and using the IR laser to aim while wearing your pvs14.
Nothing like shooting from the hip and using the IR laser to aim while wearing your pvs14.
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Don't disagree but in the good old US of A the IR Laser is a little tightly controlled for most of the "hobby" shooters. A few out they and/or home modifications to visible lasers, but then not to be too common.
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Great point Sir. The FDA's restrictions on IR lasers is mind boggling and sometimes downright stupid.
Thankfully, there's been an influx of class 1 IR lasers that are legal for civillians to own. Manufactuers like CTC and Laser Devices have started making a lot of their products with IR lasers in the .7mw range, which can easily tag yotes/hogs out to 300-400 meters. Check out the DBAL I2 or D2, sure you can't light up a remote hillside for close air support but it's more than sufficient for small game or plinking steel.
The cool thing is that LD has started offering their cocking tube lasers and K-grip lasers with class 1 IR, Sooooo tempting, but I must save up for a 308 conversion kit.
Thankfully, there's been an influx of class 1 IR lasers that are legal for civillians to own. Manufactuers like CTC and Laser Devices have started making a lot of their products with IR lasers in the .7mw range, which can easily tag yotes/hogs out to 300-400 meters. Check out the DBAL I2 or D2, sure you can't light up a remote hillside for close air support but it's more than sufficient for small game or plinking steel.
The cool thing is that LD has started offering their cocking tube lasers and K-grip lasers with class 1 IR, Sooooo tempting, but I must save up for a 308 conversion kit.
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There are LEGAL PEQ2s out there - if a Dept/agency has used and traded them in on something you can have them - not stolen, not sold directly, but you will get NO help if you need help from the Mfgr on a repair - but you better be able to prove it, also I have one that is 5Mw not 50mw, looks the same as a PEQ2, but it is less output and says civilian use on it-.
Yes it is fun shooting with the NODs.
Here is another vid of a MM23e also
You may want to include boltheads on your "Must Have" list
Yes it is fun shooting with the NODs.
Here is another vid of a MM23e also
You may want to include boltheads on your "Must Have" list
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Like the ring mount ... what is it mounted on, did not look OD ;-)There are LEGAL PEQ2s out there - if a Dept/agency has used and traded them in on something you can have them - not stolen, not sold directly, but you will get NO help if you need help from the Mfgr on a repair - but you better be able to prove it, also I have one that is 5Mw not 50mw, looks the same as a PEQ2, but it is less output and says civilian use on it-.
Yes it is fun shooting with the NODs.
Here is another vid of a MM23e also
You may want to include boltheads on your "Must Have" list
I was just cleaning the MM23eK last night (nice think about the K is it will fit in the bank box w/o the barrel and stock ;-) and thinking might wish to get another bolt head, but may have it installed in a full size MM21/3e ... ya that the story, it's not another gun, just a complete parts kit ;-).
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John, is that waht u gonna tell the wife? Yes hunny, those are just spare parts, lol.
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Actually about the time the HK91 went from the $385 I paid to well over a grand and the sear's went up more than that, she does not have many issues. Ammo, parts or guns all come out of the same budget, so does not really matter ... but really liked shooting the friends MM21e this year, which was unexpected after years of not liking HK21 (not e) conversions from others.
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