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What sets the HK416 apart from other piston rifles?

for example the Remington ACR?

I can see some benefits to the ACR platform.

1. built as a piston
2. good ergos(bolt catch, release at your fingertip)
3. very light.
4. 7,600MRBS in testing.
5. forward charging handle.
6. completely ambi.
7. a bolt carrier that slides on rails.

so what sets the HK416 apart that makes it better than everything else?
 

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Straight comparison, nothing. Anybody who has a choice designs a piston gun on rails.

That being said, since the 416 was designed as PiP for a pre-existing design, it maintains a majority of the same functions as its parent design and is thusly easier for the end users to transition while maintaining the same manual of arms and the majority of the pre-existing supply line.

For folks like me, that makes it a superior choice. Given that it's an improvement over the parent design (AR15/M16) in regards to reliability, durability, material type, manufacturing process, and quality control (debateable depending on the manufacturer), coupled with the fact that I already have a pre-existing supply of AR15 parts, I'm already very familiar with the platform and I have found over the last few months that the majority of my experience in the AR platform translates to the MR556/416 platform.

That's what makes it better for me. And that's all that matters....
 

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Who has claimed that the HK416 is better than everything else?

It is a good weapon system, just like there are other good weapon systems out there.

Why is it not a good weapon system?

I do not know how projects/competitions like these are done in the States, but in the norwegian mil it is a combination of technical tests/evaluation as well as user tests/evaluations. So, a major influence on selection of weapons and accessories for us is direct input by a representative entity of the end user.

During our trials, the HK416 beat the C8 IUR, SIG551SB, Steyr AUG, G36KV, FN F2000. Just like the Aimpoint Comp M4 beat the other optics used during the tests.
 

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What sets the HK416 apart from other piston rifles?
One thing - it is successful, where other designs are not. It is today worldwide standard for special forces assault rifle. Not other modern design has so wide spread. Is it result of it's history or it's features? Probably both.

Is ACR better? Maybe on paper it is. One unit I know procured some ACRs to evaluate them. HK416 stays in place for time being.
 

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It is an AR15 pattern rifle for those who insist on having such a pattern rifle for a reason or another, but prefer piston.
 

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Well, unlike the ACR, HK hasn't had to recall the early ones to fix a problem! I'm saying this as an ACR owner who had to send his new gun back to Bushmaster. Don't get me wrong, the ACR has some pros that you listed. It also has potential with the easily swappable barrel, however Bushmaster has failed to make anything out of it and the only way you can your ACR is in 5.56 with a 1-9 twist barrel last I checked. What's HK got over the ACR? Quality and a proven track record. Given the price of the ACR (overpriced IMHO), I'd rather pay a little more for the HK. If the ACR were cheaper and Bushmaster would live up to the "multi caliber" promise, I'd be more inclined to vote ACR. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Sinlessorrow,

What are you fishing (or trolling) for here? I'm sure i'm not alone in recognizing your "work" at M4C. Last time it was the PWS, then the SCAR, now it's the ACR. You seem to be to be very quick to weigh in every time a piston or the 416 is mentioned on M4C, I think you would be able to figure some of this stuff out by now.
 

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Sinlessorrow,

What are you fishing (or trolling) for here? I'm sure i'm not alone in recognizing your "work" at M4C. Last time it was the PWS, then the SCAR, now it's the ACR. You seem to be to be very quick to weigh in every time a piston or the 416 is mentioned on M4C, I think you would be able to figure some of this stuff out by now.
well I have $3000 burning a hole in my pocket and while I have said numerous times a piston does not do a whole lot more than DI, I would like to try one out(besides variety is the spice of life:wink:).

this is an honest question, I know in the past i have asked about the SCAR and the PWS, but having finally shot both i was not that impressed. I am impressed with the ACR and the HK(even if i would have to replace my Geissele SSA).

to AGR416, this very website has a post that I am having issues finding now that details the HK416 as the best 5.56 rifle in the world.

this is all about getting something new because I have the money, I tried searching but could not find anything regarding the ACR here

to DwillHK, Bushmasters 2012 catalog does have different barrels finally

NVM found it AGR416

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk416-hk...-why-hk-416-mr-556-superior-ar-15-design.html

G3Kurz posted the HK416 is the Best 5.56mm Carbine in the World
 

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Well, sinlessorrow as you always mention LAV on yours many posts, he too have said that the best AR based piston design is the H&K, so go for it and be happy.
You can search the HK 416 5.56mm article on net if you like, and maybe you find the light on there?, and this you have to remember too, H&K sells those bastard childs(416) MR556
To LE units too, so they cant be as bad as you have judged them.
 

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Well, sinlessorrow as you always mention LAV on yours many posts, he too have said that the best AR based piston design is the H&K, so go for it and be happy.
You can search the HK 416 5.56mm article on net if you like, and maybe you find the light on there?, and this you have to remember too, H&K sells those bastard childs(416) MR556
To LE units too, so they cant be as bad as you have judged them.
I do agree the Mr556 is a bastard child, but i did see on M4C how to basically make a 416 out of the mr556.

Again if i go piston ar design it will be the mr556, but this is about the acr or the mr556.
 

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One thing - it is successful, where other designs are not. It is today worldwide standard for special forces assault rifle. Not other modern design has so wide spread. Is it result of it's history or it's features? Probably both.

Is ACR better? Maybe on paper it is. One unit I know procured some ACRs to evaluate them. HK416 stays in place for time being.
Agreed Montrala.
The HK416, both early models and later PIP's guns like the USMC IAR, OTB and IC contenders, continue to find homes in those units who have the flexibility and funds to field the best after direct comparative tests with other candidates. Like the MP5, the HK416 has found a welcome home in special military and law enforcement units and I expect it will be there for some time. The HK416 is better than most anything out there and there is proof all around. An oh BTW, it's a piston gun. Seems they work pretty darn well.

Remington ACR? Which one? The original front heavy not so reliable or well made commercial model or the new, lighter and improved model submitted to the US Army for the IC competition? Only time will tell but I'd put my money on the proven HK416.

G3Kurz
 

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Agreed Montrala.
The HK416, both early models and later PIP's guns like the USMC IAR, OTB and IC contenders, continue to find homes in those units who have the flexibility and funds to field the best after direct comparative tests with other candidates. Like the MP5, the HK416 has found a welcome home in special military and law enforcement units and I expect it will be there for some time. The HK416 is better than most anything out there and there is proof all around. An oh BTW, it's a piston gun. Seems they work pretty darn well.

Remington ACR? Which one? The original front heavy not so reliable or well made commercial model or the new, lighter and improved model submitted to the US Army for the IC competition? Only time will tell but I'd put my money on the proven HK416.

G3Kurz
Thanks for chiming in Kurz.

One thing that actuall has me rethinking the HK is my best friend.

While I have always had a spot for the ACR since on paper it looked amazing, my best friend who I grew up shooting with recently told me about his adventure with the M27.

My best friend is a Marine and he has been singing his praises for the new M27 he was issued. Hes one of those guys that knows his stuff so it had me thinking.

That said I am interested in both the ACR and Mr556(even if it is butchered a little)
 

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I say go and buy that H&K, there are very little differencies in iar and mr556 besides autosear.
And you wont be sad anymore!(hope the bashing ends)
 

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I guess the question is what are you looking for? Why do you want either the ACR or MR556, as opposed to something else?

Unless something has changed, I thought the Remington version of the ACR is only for mil/LE, while the civilian version was sold by Bushmaster.
 

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I guess the question is what are you looking for? Why do you want either the ACR or MR556, as opposed to something else?

Unless something has changed, I thought the Remington version of the ACR is only for mil/LE, while the civilian version was sold by Bushmaster.
I mainly want something different.

My DI ar-15 is a mk18 block II clone so its pretty much the best you can get in DI.

While the ACR from bushy is different its pretty much the same, before the IC remington used the same ACR model as bushmaster. Now that bushy has multiple 5.56 barrels as well as 6.8 the ACR looks more iteresting. The ACR also imo has alot of potential to be the next big thing.

But hk is a proven system
 

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Actually the MK18 is not the best you can get , the best you can get in DI is socom barrelled M4 as for reliability, this is said even your mentor, the LAV.
As he said, While i´ve heard of 10-to11 inch M16s that are completely reliable, like unicorn of legend, i haven´t seen any of late.
 

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For me what sets it apart is when you pic it up. It's the same, but different. Also the way it feels when shooting is different.
I love classic AR's and I love HK's, the MR556 is a synthesis of both. Get it if it calls to you. The Colt piston carbine would be
a strong second if I didn't already have the HK.
 

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I mainly want something different.

My DI ar-15 is a mk18 block II clone so its pretty much the best you can get in DI.

While the ACR from bushy is different its pretty much the same, before the IC remington used the same ACR model as bushmaster. Now that bushy has multiple 5.56 barrels as well as 6.8 the ACR looks more iteresting. The ACR also imo has alot of potential to be the next big thing.

But hk is a proven system
When did Bushmaster start selling different ACR barrels even in 5.56, much less in 6.8?

I don't see anything on Bushmaster's ACR accessory page:

ACR Accessories
 

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Every gun has it's little differences. In the end, you have to choose between for yourself. My answer to the question between ACR and 416 would be that it's your money, not anyone else's around the web forum. There's a lot I liked about the MagPul Masada. Even for everything it had, there were things about it that I disliked. When it became the ACR made by Remington or BM, I lost interest. MagPul should have maintained more control over the weapon.
 
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