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#22 ·
CPshooter said:
Sarcasm doesn’t prevent it from being true. Tritium night sights were all the rage way back in the day when decent WMLs weren’t available or didn’t perform well enough to be worth a hoot. With the advancements in LED technology and training techniques, they are no longer as useful to the average gun owner as they once were. That being said, if they work for you, then that’s great and more power to you. Everyone should use what they feel comfortable with.
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Wellll yes and no. Food for thought, even for the "average" gun owner:

Before WMLs, reliable handheld lights were more common. Training with handhelds is still a "thing" because 1. redundancy is good, and 2. not everyone CCWs with a WML. Night sights alone are designed for low light environments, not complete darkness, in the interest of the target discrimination you mentioned earlier. Different colored vials are available for those having trouble aligning 3 green dots. Night sights (in addition to WMLs) are also almost universally standard issue to professional trigger pullers. Once you've trained in low light with night sights (with WMLs and/or handhelds), most people are sold on tritium of some kind. Hi-vis front sights plus tritium is the best of both worlds IMO.

My point is, if you don't personally find them beneficial, no worries. As you mentioned, do what works for you (I wish the RDS crowd would be as reasonable). But night sights are far from outdated, for redundancy's sake alone.
 
#23 ·
@CajunK - you make some valid points. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "outdated." I just feel the poor sight picture they offer makes them less than ideal for most real-world scenarios the majority of us civilians are likely to encounter. It's also hard to get people to move away from whatever has been "standard issue" for law enforcement for so long, so I get that as well. People get set in their ways and don't like change or being open-minded to new concepts. Probably the same reason I can't get myself to join the RDS craze. :unsure: On that note, I don't know that I'll ever go that route. Too many things to go wrong. Yes, the high-precision accuracy can be addictive at the range when you have all the time in the world to find that red dot and line things up before squeezing off the shot, but I'm not convinced it will be as intuitive in a high-stress, life or death situation. I guess I just don't want to take the chance because I've never been in a situation like that, and training can never fully simulate the stress and adrenaline that would overcome the body and mind. I don't want to find out the hard way that RDS aren't for me. YMMV, of course.
 
#24 ·
Condition0 said:
I agree with most of this post, but it touches on something I've trained on, which is the home invasion scenario.
Try this : set an alarm for the middle of the night and immediately activate your wml. If it doesn't blind you, your gtg. If it does, you are using a ultra bright wml which will give away your location while you are temporarily blinded.
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Point the light at the ceiling to see the environment is a technique until you are ready to pull the trigger.
 
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CPshooter said:
It's also hard to get people to move away from whatever has been "standard issue" for law enforcement for so long, so I get that as well.
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Yep, like people sprinting back to the 9mm bandwagon. 😜 That said, for over 25 years, night sights have been on every issued and personal weapon I've carried.

CPshooter said:
People get set in their ways and don't like change or being open-minded to new concepts. Probably the same reason I can't get myself to join the RDS craze. :unsure:
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I was just having this conversation with a colleague. I've tried it and have come to the conclusion that the time, effort and ammo it would take for me to revamp a career of training isn't a priority for me at this point. Maybe if my eyes get bad enough and the technology becomes more robust. Paul Howe sums that POV up nicely:

The CSAT Way - Paul gives his view on pistol red dot sights.
 
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ar2088 said:
Point the light at the ceiling to see the environment is a technique until you are ready to pull the trigger.
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Try it in your bedroom at 3am. My daytime wml will hurt your eyes and delay your ability to respond. Have you already trained /experienced it? My nighttime /bedside gun allows me to fully open my eyes quickly, using an X2.
Brighter is not always better
 
#28 ·
CajunK said:
Yep, like people sprinting back to the 9mm bandwagon. 😜 That said, for over 25 years, night sights have been on every issued and personal weapon I've carried.


I was just having this conversation with a colleague. I've tried it and have come to the conclusion that the time, effort and ammo it would take for me to revamp a career of training isn't a priority for me at this point. Maybe if my eyes get bad enough and the technology becomes more robust. Paul Howe sums that POV up nicely:

The CSAT Way - Paul gives his view on pistol red dot sights.
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I have never heard of CSAT or Paul, but man oh man, he is spot on with every single thing he talked about in that video. Thank you for sharing that. I even agree with his philosophy on using a handheld flashlight instead of a WML. I mentioned "WML" several times in my previous posts, but I was just using the acronym to abbreviate my already lengthy post, and what I really meant was WML = whatever light source you prefer to ID your target. I actually keep my USP .45 bare naked without any gadgets hanging from it in a SentrySafe gun safe right next to me on top of my night stand and keep a Surefire flashlight next to the safe. My first handgun was a Springfield XD.40 w/ a TLR-2 mounted and night sights. While it sure felt tacticool to look at and play around with at night, I eventually wised up and realized there were too many downsides to a setup like that. Having to point a loaded gun at something just to shine some light on it, no way to use momentary-on activation of the light without altering and compromising my shooting grip, realizing night sights suck for most types of shooting, etc. I'm very happy nowadays with my KISS approach having only the CFO sights on my gun and a separate flashlight.
 
#29 ·
On my current three H&Ks I have the factory sights
20+ years ago I installed Meprolight Night Sights on my USP357C & P7M8
Yeah I'm Old school now & my 56th Birthday is Today
I want Night Sights because I go out every night & every morning before the sun comes up
Because of that my Glock 19X goes with me
I want to have night sights on these three HKs
Watching this thread
Still wanting a SIG P365 Just because of the Night Sights
Sorry to not be 100% Laser Focused on Hk
Bought this P2000sk to be my new smaller carry weapon
 
#30 ·
There is another side to this discussion: Many modern replacement sights are still a significant improvement over the stock sights to begin with, even if they were not night sights. It just so happens that most of them also have tritium vials. Trijicon HDs are a perfect example of this.
 
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Also, forgot to mention. Not sure if this is true for every USP but, my HK factory sights were set up from the factory as - align the center of the front sight to the intended target. The Trijicon HD’s are set up to align on the top of front sight not the center of the front sight. This was the case with both my USP’s, Expert and Compact.
 
#36 ·
5teeb said:
Looking to swap out the stock sights on my USP9 and I was curious what everybody is using, was hoping to see some pictures of what you are currently running. Leaning towards a fiber optic front with blacked out rear but curious what my options are.. I believe the Novak fiber optic sights are discontinued? View attachment 315887
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I’m running Dawson Precision green fiber optic front and OEM blacked out rear. The front is their .110" width sight. Dawson Precision HK USP Fiber Optic Front Sights Everyone's eyes pick up different colors so I settled for the green but I think several colors come with the sight. Since the rear sight notch is not real wide, I went with s thin one that fits the notch for "combat" shooting, so there's daylight between the notch and front sight. I believe HK uses PDA rear sights on the Expert mine are black serrated like a target 1911,,,,great combination and I'm very satisfied with the Dawson, I have them on many pistols and revolvers I shoot for competition.
 
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Meprolight adjustable night sights on the .45 tactical.

Standard height Trijicon HD’s on the .45 with match trigger and tac rsa that I carry.

Stock HK on the rest so far.

I am interested in fiber optic so who knows what may come. Having my sight pusher with all HK and Glock shoes plus others makes it cheaper to experiment since there are no installation charges.
 
#38 ·
I live in Alaska and like the adjustable Mepros on my USP 45s, I have several. I've had and seen many weapon lights simply fail... LEDs do burn out or you break the circuitry, batteries suddenly decide to die, maybe the switch was on for awhile an you didn't notice it because it wasn't locked on and/or it was under some winter clothes on the front seat. Night sights are not just for night-time use, mine all have paint rings around the tritium tube and work as well as "day only" sights.
 
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