[bergunx]

Hi,

I purchased a second HK-91 (IB) rifle from my local gun shop for $2Ks. With that said, I always wanted to have a "correct looking" G3K and I'm seriously thinking about sending out a Form 1 request to the ATF to make this happen, but I'm still on the fence with this project. It seems that there is an abundance of "IB" date coded HK-91 rifles in the country, so in my eyes, its not that rare. Also, since I'm in my mid 50s, I figure I'll have about 10 good years of shooting left BEFORE I start selling off most of my collection to help fund my retirement and my more age appropriate hobbies... Being retired Army and serving all my time in Combat Arms, I'm already starting to feel my age.

Anyway, if I do push forward and Form 1 this rifle into a G3K carbine, would I have wrecked its overall resale value from its rifle form or say if I did the correct paperwork and transfer it to one of my other local Class III dealers for resale, would I get my money back out of it? I'm not looking to make a million dollars off of it, but getting a fair market value $$$$ return is important to me.

"OR" should I just keep an eye open for a used PTR-91 and Form 1 it into a G3K carbine verses using the HK-91?

I should note that I have a HK-94 (CA-DOJ) carbine I "was" going to Form 1, but decided not to, since they, IMHO, are more rare than a HK-91 AND for some odd reason, the 16" barrel with a shroud on it doesn't look too bad.

Thanks for looking and for your input!!

 

[Saigamantx]

Yes.

Buy a PTR91

 

[gulfstategaurd]

I do not think you would regret either way. an HK G3K is still going to hold its value. 20 years from now, who knows, but that will be someone elses concern most likely. Your bigger decision would be do you go withvan RCM barrel or get the existing barrel reprofiled.

 

[bystok]

A G3K conversion is awesome and the value related to a form 1 will trend with wait times. You always have the option to pin an extended flash hider later if you want to remove it from the registry. Do the conversion and enjoy the rifle as I'm sure you will find the overall balance of the K a much more enjoyable package!

 

[The_Great_308]

It is your rifle so if your G3K just has to be a real HK then have it converted and enjoy it. I doubt if the rifle will loose value but I also doubt if it will be worth the cost of the rifle plus the parts and the cost of conversion. The way I look at it is no matter how you go about creating a G3K that is exactly what you will be doing. What I mean is basically it will be a G3K clone weather it is made using an actual HK91 or with a PTR91 or a flat. If it were me I would just buy a PTR91 K3P PDW, file a form 1 and while you wait have an extended flash Hider pinned and welded to get the barrel length over 16"s and add the stock of your choice. Then when you get your approval remove the extended flash hider. I think that would be the most economical way to do it and then you would still have both HK91s that will continue to be collectable to a large market and go up in value. However this all just my opinion and all I have ever owned is clones so maybe that's why I don't understand the strong desire to change a HK91 rather than just going the clone route.


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Kelly Enterprises also offers G3K clones in pistol or rifle form:

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If you have not seen it you may want to check out this similar thread:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/322202-g3k-conversion-time.html

 

[Slaine777]

I personally went with the PTR K3P, still waiting on the stamp.

 

[gopherboy128]

Total cost for the rifle $1898. Includes tax, shipping, NFA stamp, engraving, etc.

 

[7n6]

Total cost for the rifle $1898. Includes tax, shipping, NFA stamp, engraving, etc.

The conversion costs alone go for more than that but is necessary if you want a real HK G3K.

 

[gopherboy128]

The conversion costs alone go for more than that but is necessary if you want a real HK G3K.

Yep. But sometimes you just have to have the real thing- been there, done that. Still, for $2,000 or so- the PTR isn't a bad option. And part of my cost, was for a new HK factory handguard, pinned SEF lower, extended charge handle, dust cap and RCM #18 locking piece. I didn't care for the PTR option.

 

[GPSIG]

If you have the G3K conversion done by one of the major HK gunsmiths it won't hurt the value of the gun. It won't add value past the cost of conversion, but it doesn't hurt to do a factory-correct conversion. The more significant impact is the reduced number of buyers for an SBR when you want to sell. Also, for maximum resale, have the builder engrave their info on the gun. An SBR with TMC Machine markings is easier to sell then one with "Jonn Smith Family NFA trust, Anywhereville FL" engravings.

 

[7n6]

Yep. But sometimes you just have to have the real thing- been there, done that. Still, for $2,000 or so- the PTR isn't a bad option. And part of my cost, was for a new HK factory handguard, pinned SEF lower, extended charge handle, dust cap and RCM #18 locking piece. I didn't care for the PTR option.

I've owned two G3K's, both clones- both sold.

I am sitting on an original #18 lock piece, original 0-1-20 lower, all to someday build a real G3K out of an HK 91.


7n6

 

[1f1fan]

You have two HK-91's and you only live once, I say go for it. Enjoy the gun over the next decade (or more) and don't worry about resale now. I agree with GPSIG about going with factory SBR markings on the gun instead of engraving your trust info. Give Mike at TSC Machine a shout, he does great work.

 

[egroeg]

I wouldn't do it myself, I don't see how a cut up 91 is worth doing, it still isn't a real G3K. Lots of folks like all German parts though, if thats what you're looking for go ahead, its your rifle.

A GB2K built clone off of a PTR receiver is enough to satisfy me.

 

[Ronzo]

Convert your HK91 and enjoy it

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[bergunx]

If you have the G3K conversion done by one of the major HK gunsmiths it won't hurt the value of the gun. It won't add value past the cost of conversion, but it doesn't hurt to do a factory-correct conversion. The more significant impact is the reduced number of buyers for an SBR when you want to sell. Also, for maximum resale, have the builder engrave their info on the gun. An SBR with TMC Machine markings is easier to sell then one with "Jonn Smith Family NFA trust, Anywhereville FL" engravings.

Good point about the markings. I'll reach out to TMC Machine and go from their... As stated in another posting, you only live once.

Thanks for the relies!!

 

[scottinthegrove]

Mike does outstanding work. If he did the conversion and was marked as such, I'd think that would be a positive selling point. Mike does list HK91 to G3K conversion cost TSC Machine ? Services & Pricing half way down the page of $1,300. You'd have at least another $200 to transfer. I believe if you sent a copy of the 4473 with the gun, Mike can file a Form 2 registering the gun as a SBR. If he sends that 4473 copy in with the Form 4 to transfer directly to you, even if you are not a VA resident (Mike is in VA) the gun can transfer directly to you. If the firearm is your property, there is no actual transfer, simply a change from Title I configuration to Title II configuration.

So as far as "market value" would you spend $4,000 for a converted 91? That is about what you'd have to sell it for to break even. $2,000 for the gun, $1,300 for the conversion, $200 minimum for NFA paperwork (there might be a charge for the Form 2 filing), $100 shipping and insurance (might be a little low), $200 transfer out of state, and another $200 for instate transfer for conversion and resale. You could save a few bucks with the pinned FH. Problem is as the buyer I'd be concerned about possible confusion when I'd refile using Form 1 and engraving or have to ship the gun back to Mike for SBR registration again. So would there really be much savings? I bought a factory SW45, so no extra markings There was more time in transfers, but I didn't think I would really save much by having the SW45 removed from the registry, pin an extension on the barrel, engraving as SW was no longer building complete firearms.

Life is short. I get that. I'm 57. I'm lucky enough to own a Fleming sear. I would not sell that sear for $100,000. Why, because with transfers that could be as much as a year or more to buy another one. For whatever the transfer time would be, I wouldn't be able to shoot my roller locks as machineguns. I'm aware that my shooting time is limited. Like putting aftermarket wheels on your car, you'd put them on because you want the look and performance, not for higher resale value. This conversion would be very similar. Would you get all your money back selling a TSC G3K conversion ten years from now? I doubt it. But you want one. I don't think there would be a huge loss over that 10 years, but what would that pleasure worth to you? That to me is the answer to the question you need. Good luck with your second HK91 project.

Scott

 

[Obiefox]

Mike TSC converted my 91 to G3k and it is a stunner. One of my favorite pieces and it will never leave my possession.

 

[kriss954]

I have personally decided not to take my HK factory PreBan firearm's
resale value into consideration when completing a build. Either you
you have the expectation that the firearm will be as authenticate as
possible and operate as such or you just don't really care. Either way
its your own personal preference!!! If you do care send it to TSC!!!