Yes, you are correct that once the shelf has been added, the full-auto carrier block can be removed. It isn't something that you need to send to a gunsmith to do, it should come out with some careful Dremel work because it's only a weld or two that you're removing.
Zenith Full size as sear host
I am sure this has been covered, but I am having a hard time locating the info.
What's the general consensus on the Zenith Z5P As a sear host? I know that it will need a shelf welded in place to allow installation of a trigger housing with a registered sear pack. Am I correct in assuming that any other modifications (e.g. semi-auto only carrier blocking bar) can be removed AFTER the shelf has been installed?
Who offers those services? and what might I expect to pay for that kind of conversion?
I am trying to figure out the best route for a sear host--something like Brethren Arms or Omega, which seem to be sear ready, or a Zenith with a bit of work done. It seems to me that the Zenith may be the better long term investment (licensed factory, etc), but I'm not sure what the cost differential will be once they are apples to apples comparable.
What's the general consensus on the Zenith Z5P As a sear host? I know that it will need a shelf welded in place to allow installation of a trigger housing with a registered sear pack. Am I correct in assuming that any other modifications (e.g. semi-auto only carrier blocking bar) can be removed AFTER the shelf has been installed?
Who offers those services? and what might I expect to pay for that kind of conversion?
I am trying to figure out the best route for a sear host--something like Brethren Arms or Omega, which seem to be sear ready, or a Zenith with a bit of work done. It seems to me that the Zenith may be the better long term investment (licensed factory, etc), but I'm not sure what the cost differential will be once they are apples to apples comparable.
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I don't have access to (nor the skills for) welding the shelf, so it's going to have to go to a smith anyway.
Who is recommended around here for both price and turnaround time?
Who is recommended around here for both price and turnaround time?
I've only dealt with Jeff at Parabellum Combat Systems but it was a very good experience. He would be my first choice.
Honestly the cost of tearing it up, doing all that work and refinishing it is a loss against what it would be worth compared to any other gun you shot the bejeezus out of with a sear and then tried to sell.
You will also have to add a complete clipped and pinned trigger group to it, since once you put the shelf on the MKE one won't work on that gun anymore. The small nub of the MKE is not the same as the 80's semi shelf and the trigger boxes are different. Not interchangeable.
I love the MKE's but in this case I would go with a US built gun hands down for your use case.
You will also have to add a complete clipped and pinned trigger group to it, since once you put the shelf on the MKE one won't work on that gun anymore. The small nub of the MKE is not the same as the 80's semi shelf and the trigger boxes are different. Not interchangeable.
I love the MKE's but in this case I would go with a US built gun hands down for your use case.
+1. Why spend the money to convert when you can buy one that is ready to go?Honestly the cost of tearing it up, doing all that work and refinishing it is a loss against what it would be worth compared to any other gun you shot the bejeezus out of with a sear and then tried to sell.
You will also have to add a complete clipped and pinned trigger group to it, since once you put the shelf on the MKE one won't work on that gun anymore. The small nub of the MKE is not the same as the 80's semi shelf and the trigger boxes are different. Not interchangeable.
I love the MKE's but in this case I would go with a US built gun hands down for your use case.
Scott
I think you've talked sense into me.
I emailed Omega and they can do a build with a BT barrel (if you provide the barrel), which is the direction I think I'd like to go.
Thanks!
I emailed Omega and they can do a build with a BT barrel (if you provide the barrel), which is the direction I think I'd like to go.
Thanks!
I reconfigured my MKE carbine imported by ATI, it is simple. I had the shelf tig welded by a local welding shop using an aluminum spacer/indexing block I made. Next I removed the carrier & mag blocks.
I shot it without a refinish for over a year and no one ever noticed the lack of paint around the shelf area. Honestly you could probably touch it up with a can of spray paint until you decide to refinish the entire gun.
I purchased a MP5 kit years earlier so I used the FA carrier from the kit and then had the German barrel installed once my stamp arrived. Sure it was more costly doing what I did but at the time Zenith wasn't on the scene and pistol versions were unobtanium. I've had my fill of U.S. made clones and their issues, the MKE has yet to display any of the faults common to the domestic guns. The guns assembled by the top tier builders are another story completely and I'd be happy with one of those but (at the time) they were hard to find and even more expensive.
YMMV
I shot it without a refinish for over a year and no one ever noticed the lack of paint around the shelf area. Honestly you could probably touch it up with a can of spray paint until you decide to refinish the entire gun.
I purchased a MP5 kit years earlier so I used the FA carrier from the kit and then had the German barrel installed once my stamp arrived. Sure it was more costly doing what I did but at the time Zenith wasn't on the scene and pistol versions were unobtanium. I've had my fill of U.S. made clones and their issues, the MKE has yet to display any of the faults common to the domestic guns. The guns assembled by the top tier builders are another story completely and I'd be happy with one of those but (at the time) they were hard to find and even more expensive.
YMMV
Personally, I think things in the US clone market has changed, for the better. Back when Todd was building guns, you "got what you got". I think it is great to hear that Omega is willing to use premium parts for an individual build. Omega also seems much more interested in delivering a quality product. Also with Atlantic backing up the sale with their great reputation for customer service, there is a much greater chance that the customer will receive a quality US build right out of the box. If not Atlantic will make it so.
It seems to me that Omega has had an "uphill climb", as it is my understanding that Todd's brother is now running what had been Todd's clone business and it was renamed Omega. But from what I've seen on this board, the quality of the Omega builds has been overall very good. It certainly hasn't been HK factory quality, but the Omega guns are not HK factory priced. There are certainly many happy customers with southern Asian guns. Between the improved quality of the US clone manufacture. With the modifications that must be done to a southern Asian clone, I don't know as a southern Asian clone is as cost effective as just purchasing a US clone. Certainly if someone wants to make a southern Asian clone sear ready or 922(R) compliant for SBR registration, it can be done. But I think the most cost effective option would be a US clone.
Scott
It seems to me that Omega has had an "uphill climb", as it is my understanding that Todd's brother is now running what had been Todd's clone business and it was renamed Omega. But from what I've seen on this board, the quality of the Omega builds has been overall very good. It certainly hasn't been HK factory quality, but the Omega guns are not HK factory priced. There are certainly many happy customers with southern Asian guns. Between the improved quality of the US clone manufacture. With the modifications that must be done to a southern Asian clone, I don't know as a southern Asian clone is as cost effective as just purchasing a US clone. Certainly if someone wants to make a southern Asian clone sear ready or 922(R) compliant for SBR registration, it can be done. But I think the most cost effective option would be a US clone.
Scott
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