Call up PCS and you could have a good 93 sooner than that will happen... but I do imagine some day, someone will take another swing at 93's

 

Jeff built me a beautiful G3K last year. It was spendy but well worth it.

 

Sounds like just a matter of time according to this thread.

Century now gonna bring in MKE G3 and 33?

Saw this on ARFCOM, Vickers tactical posted it on Instagram. Anyone hear anything else?

www.hkpro.com

 

Honestly the PTR ones built on Century receivers for Budds were pretty solid. Mine runs great. Welds are impressive. Was better than century.

 

Totally agree, I should have bought 3 of them. Massive deal at that price point.

 

Well I emailed Jeff yesterday and he put me in line for a 93. Price was nice.

 

Are you at liberty to share that price?

 

Would it not have to be imported as a "sporting rifle"? No flash hider, pistol grip stock, etc. (Think of something like the SL8). Maybe imported as a pistol?

If Heckler & Koch can no longer import the HK 91-93-94, what makes anyone believe that a MKE or POF version can be brought in fully assembled?

-E-

 

The hope is that the potential MKE imports will be pistols. At least that my hope.

 

I truly love each and every one of my Jeff builds

 

I spoke to Jeff this morning. His build includes the paddle type mag release and a clipped/pinned steel grip frame. I'm tickled. He also includes a rail along the top of the receiver. I assume because the US made receivers don't include those bulges to engage the claw mounts if I wanted to use one. I declined the addition of a rail because I love the classic look of a steel HK rifle with iron sights. Since hanging up though I'm having second thoughts. What do do?

Anyway his build time is 4 to 6 weeks, $2625 shipped. I can't wait!

 

Since hanging up though I'm having second thoughts. What do do?
Anyway his build time is 4 to 6 weeks, $2625 shipped.

Assuming that the CAI import 93-types will be priced similarity to the old Zenith imports (...and the MP5-types are even lower), an Artisanal Super Smith person clone gun made with American commercial parts will be worth around $800 when the legit article is on the shelf for $1500 standard, $1600 K.

The CAI 93-types on the second hand market are going to take a huge beating too- a well deserved adjustment for what I've seen them going at.

 

I would purchase an modern MKE 33 clone over a HK93. The MKE will have all the latest updates and Flapper mag release and push pin lower.

if you have a SEAR, I would purchase the 93 over the MKE.

18Z50

 

The MKE won't have any updates. Every MKE will be in the exact configuration of the HK TDP at the time it was sold. That means no "Aktion-3 Bolt Head" in the MP5, SEF triggers, ergo housings, etc...

If you have a sear, it becomes much, much more important to have a quality rifle, and either a true HK-93 or the MKE will do fine so long as you avoid junk American parts when performing maintenance.

When you're buying a sear, you're buying the piece of paper, so I would run that sear in the MKE and save the HK for semi auto use... or maybe buy 2 x MKEs and keep one as a spare.

This might sound splurgy and excessive... until you find out how much you're going to spend on ammunition running full auto.

 

Looking for thoughts on the likelihood that MKE or POF will ever bring another 93 rifle to market

POF won't- they don't make one

I understand the economics behind trying to compete with the AR-15.

They're all just nostalgia for 80's kids... none of them can "compete" with modern offerings.

Maybe not so much on something from the Angry Beavers of Vermont although I do have a C93 that runs like a champ.

CAI never made a single 93-type. They were all subbed out.

 

As said above, I had a C93 that was absolutely abysmal and they never could get it to work, no matter how many times I sent it back. They replaced it with another one that never worked either. I would, however, give an MKE a chance given the track record they have given me of working firearms thus far.

 

And finally, the vector 53......

 

I should mention, I have a PCS built 93 clone that runs like a champ and looks beautiful to boot. Probably my favorite rifle, if I am being honest.

 

C93 here that hasn't skipped a beat. When I went shooting with my Marine cousin and his buddies, my AR builds were invisible to them but they all wanted to rock the C93.

 

I hate to be that guy, but I would stay away from PCS for a 93.
I had the worst firearm experience of my life.

Bought everything new, all German/RCM and a Special Weapons(?) flat.

Jeff was great to work with at first.

Got the 93 finished and the front sight post was wildly canted. The welded top rail was visually tilted sideways, etc.
Delivered with roller marks in the rear. It visually looked silly to the naked eye.
Also the charging handle wasn't well adjusted from the jump.

Sent it back to Jeff who was eager to have a look and sat with it to sight it/adjust etc.

I thought it would be straightened out and it came back the same. It shot straight I guess and he fixed the charging handle pre-release. Somehow the point of impact was aligned with the wonky construction.
The problem was the top rail was visually lofting to the side, the barrel wasn't 'square' to the receiver, and the front sight was canted.



In the end, I sold it twice on gunbroker being sure to note the sight cant.
It was returned to me twice with customers feeling scammed before I sold it for parts.

Jeff turned into quite the grouch in the end and insisted there's nothing wrong, etc.
Offered to have a look again and would charge something around $80 +S&H if he couldn't find anything wrong.

It was all during covid and I really didn't have the gun out for the year after he built it, so he was very unenthused that I was bringing it up a year later.
I think everything is built on guides/jigs so maybe the Special flat was really toast, but everything looked so... bad...

It was a really sad experience and I took a big monetary hit on it.


I'm not looking to debate anyone and you can clearly see he gets great responses, but my experience still makes me feel awful today.

Slav


Edit: Also I will add there was a palm size of the black finish that felt like raised sandpaper. I've seen his finish work and it's fine elsewhere, but mine was just a really disappointing gun.

 

I hate to be that guy, but I would stay away from PCS for a 93.

+1 more for taking a big monetary hit trying to offload PCS' "work."

...and that was after it went back. Wade Bailey was 100x better on fixing shoddy work.

 

Kev, I'm sorry to hear about your experience with PCS. His work is known to be excellent and I have no qualms about buying this (my second) rifle from him. That being said my experience with Mr Bailey is like yours with PCS. I bought a UMP clone from him. It was a complete POS, I returned it, he sent it back having done nothing. I am not impressed and wish I had been a bit more patient and waited for a TBT.

 

Sorry to muddy the water @Dinsdale Piranha, this is the first time I came out with this on HKPro. There is a major echo chamber with his work and I think people with experiences like me just stay away to avoid the arguments.

I've had something like 10-15 roller delays and never dealt with ANY firearm so poorly built.

Maybe Dakota tactical will build them out. They seem to do no wrong.

Slav


PS: PM me if you would like a spreadsheet of all the parts required and what options you are doing. I keep it for others looking to build 93s.
I've got all the 922r parts listed, etc.

 

With who's work? PCS or Bailey?

 

PCS.
Referencing my experience above and with KEV's experience.

 

Understood. I guess I just dont spend enough time here but I have faith in him.

 

Do follow-up when it's complete!

Slav

 

I think that reporting an experience in good faith is exactly what this group needs. I cannot say that I have had similar experiences and I have had 3 or maybe 4 weapons built by PCS with nothing other than incredible results... BUT I am not saying that to invalidate your experience... merely stating that I would stand behind his work 100 percent with no qualms... so much so that I truly am shocked at your experience enough to have a ton of questions which only he could answer.

 

I'd like to agree with those who recommended PCS, my PCS33 is a real beauty, shoots flawlessly and it was finished far quicker than the timeframe he originally told me. I plan to have him build me a 53 and maybe a 33k as soon as BPP is finished with my hk21 build.

 

I plan to have him build me a 53 and maybe a 33k as soon as BPP is finished with my hk21 build.

You'd be wise to do them consecutively vs. concurrently, and in that order.

Legit 93K-types are in the works, and going to hit soon.

If MKE G3-types and 93-types arrive in the domestic market, the only commercial clone guns that should ever be considered would be the MP5SD and the 53-type... and if you want a 53-type you should splash some cold water, slap yourself in the face, and go buy a 33K-type instead.