Seems like Tom is standing behind his product 100%. Why are you worried?
I had him do a T36 Receiver on a G36K parts kit and it ran flawlessly! He then redid it with a TG36 receiver and it is still flawless.
I would wait it out and see what happens... who knows… it may surprise you.
M.

 

Seems like Tom is standing behind his product 100%. Why are you worried?
I had him do a T36 Receiver on a G36K parts kit and it ran flawlessly! He then redid it with a TG36 receiver and it is still flawless.
I would wait it out and see what happens... who knows… it may surprise you.
M.

See thats my conundrum, most people here have parts kit guns built on his recievers, mine is a full Tommy Built, nothing german about it. Unfortunately im having a difficult time sourcing a g36 parts kit at any price right now or I would have done that already.

What little ive read about his house made guns is that he always repairs them, which is is exactly what it sounds like; while he does stand by his products and repair them for free, he is CONSTANTLY repairing them.

I wish that it could be literally anyone else besides todd baileys company making the actual hardware.

Why god....

 

I haven't seen a whole lot of threads about TG36 issues, I think most here have good luck with them for the most part. After getting a stock on my K its been a real problem free blast(pun intended) to shoot. AUG's are still my favorite in 5.56, but the TG36 came very close to changing that.

I guess what I'm saying is, if the issues haven't killed your interest in the rifle, I would encourage you to give the new receiver a shot before giving up and taking a refund.

 

Is yours one of his house builds or just a german parts kit on his reciever? Because im really asking about the former, not the latter...

 

Not from a parts kit, complete TG36K pistol from Tommybuilt.

I should note, I only have something like 500 rounds or so through it at this point, but its hasn't shown any indication of disappointing yet.

 

Mine is a TG built on HK parts and had zero issues. I know you want a comparison... so I can also speak to three local units near me that are similar round counts built on all TB parts (not HK) and no issues with them either. I will admit, on here... when a problem does arise, and any issues seem to be relatively rare, they are usually TB complete builds... but again, I have only read about a very small handful of issues.

 

Yeah its the same on the reddit hk group. Theres a handful of people who put up bad reviews, but those few people are VERY vocal about it.

Not sure why another US company hasnt stepped up to the plate yet to at least make higher quality barrels/bolts/trunnions and the like. I know its a niche, but a very pricey one that could be very profitable for someone making top shelf parts.

The only other company making barrels that I know of is lothar-walther (not carl walther) in canada. I havent the first clue how to source those in America though.

 

I have the same issues with 5.56 in my tg36ker. to be fair Tom has offered to look at the gun again and ill prob send it back to him after this shooting season. Now i run a German bolt/carrier and recoil system and .223 runs better, but not 5.56. I love this gun and will continue to try and get it working 100% one day.

 

I have the same issues with 5.56 in my tg36ker. to be fair Tom has offered to look at the gun again and ill prob send it back to him after this shooting season. Now i run a German bolt/carrier and recoil system and .223 runs better, but not 5.56. I love this gun and will continue to try and get it working 100% one day.

Have you looked at your trunnion? I bet thats whats wrong with it. Mine does the exact same thing as yours and the problems originated with the trunnion.

Its super frustrating because I thought about switching up some parts for German ones, yet no matter how many you change out, if you use a bostic reciever that means youve got a trunnion made by, none other than, guess who.....

....ill wait for it.....

...........todd Bailey.

 

got a pic of where to look in the trunnion?

 

Its a little difficult to get a square phone camera inside the reciever in the right position, but start by looking at the feed ramps, and the area where the extractor passes through.

When I got mine it had problems out the gate, and sure enough there was a burr in the trunnion lugs that put a gouge in the extractor. Sent it back to get filed and polished. Worked for a month.....

Now, when i looked inside after it started malfunctioning again, all the steel in the same area on the trunnion looks all chewed up, and the feed ramps have lines up and down from bullet noses dragging. Its like the steel wasn't heat tempered properly and old Toad had some half baked trunnions and said "yeah whatever, send em to choate for injection molding, no ones gonna know"

Well, Todd, if you're anywhere out there on this site lurking, I want YOU to know that I know.

 

I didn't know it was commonly known that Todd was involved in these projects... frankly... I am relieved to find out that it is known. Not that it is a bad thing... the fact is, Tommy stands behind his product and, that alone, makes the product palatable. Yes... Todd was involved, but when or if an issue arises, you can count on Tommy.

 

I found out after I had already bought my tg36 clone. I was foolish enough to think "gsg9" meant some form of police trade in parts were at play, but no, its a US company in Arizona, and if you look up their public LLC info online Todd Bailey is listed as a principal working partner.

How he has managed to insert himself into nearly every facet of HK cloning despite his reputation for shoddiness dating back almost 30 years, I do not know. But he somehow continues to haunt us

 

I have a TG36C and it runs perfect. This is my second one since the ATF decided the first one was a machine gun. As you probably know, Tom stood behind his product and exchanged receivers. I did change out the gas system for genuine HK parts but I only did that because I work in a shop that demilled the county SWAT guns and we had them just sitting there. I've never had a single malfunction with either of my TG36C guns and I shoot them quite often. I know Tom. Give him an opportunity to fix or exchange your gun. He's a stand up guy.

 

whats your estimated round count? have you checked your internal rails for wear?

 

I still see stubs pop up from time to time. There are people still having fuse jobs done... I guess one-ups-manship will always be a thing. "Mines more German than yours" will never go away... unless HK decides to start selling G36's in semi auto to civilians... which I can't imagine will ever happen...lol

 

What has me confused is why someone like Tom would associate with someone like toad. They are total opposites. If you associate with crap you’re going to get crap on you.

I bought a TMP and it would jam every other round. I was able to diagnosis the issue and change out the parts and it runs perfect now. Same crappy gsg9 parts. They look ok Superficially but lack where it counts. The barrel chamber face was not relieved like the HK barrels and the bullets would snag if you didn’t hand cycle the gun. HSPD barrel Is on a different level than a toad special.

 

Yeah and its even weirder because I mentioned this relationship to tom bostic in an email and while he was reluctant to admit he worked with todd Baileys company he was quick to defend their parts and make it sound like my problem was an isolated incident, which clearly this thread is evidence that it is not.

 

As much as we love to hate on toad, he's the only one to actually make these parts here in the US. I'm positive Tommybuilt would use another manufacturer if he could.

Not trying to defend toad or anything of the sort, but we don't exactly have a lot of options in the US right now, and I for one an glad to have what we do.

All this would be a non issue if Hk didn't hate us...

 

As much as we love to hate on toad, he's the only one to actually make these parts here in the US. I'm positive Tommybuilt would use another manufacturer if he could.

Not trying to defend toad or anything of the sort, but we don't exactly have a lot of options in the US right now, and I for one an glad to have what we do.

All this would be a non issue if Hk didn't hate us...

Agree, but to be fair HK doesn’t hate us. They are hated by the American and German gun laws that screw them.

HK likes money, they will do what they can if they make money.

 

I love this whole thread

 

I like Tom, he's awesome.

I hate Todd and co. they suck and we hate them.

with that being said, best solution is SL8 w/ G36 kit.
2nd best, Tom receiver with G36 kit.

 

I like Tom, he's awesome.

I hate Todd and co. they suck and we hate them.

with that being said, best solution is SL8 w/ G36 kit.
2nd best, Tom receiver with G36 kit.

Couldn't find a g36 kit, but i get to pick up my sl8 tommorow. Im basically gonna put all the guts in my tg36 reciever and get the barrel reprofiled and threaded eventually. Even if they were available g36 kits are WAAAY to expensive these days, and the sl8 has all the same essential parts I need for half the price of a parts kit.

 

I thoroughly believe that the Bailey group only ever runs one batch of parts per company. They place one huge order, and sort the quality from best to most questionable and ship the best parts first and slowly work their way to the literal bottom of the bin. This is why most of the companies start out with decent reviews and feedback and towards the end of their life cycle, the reviews start to become more and more mixed until suddenly everything they ship is dookie.

 

This may very well be true, however I have been reading about these rifles having stovepiping issues ever since they were originally released as the T36. I just decided to buy a tg36 anyways bc everyone always spoke so highly of tommy.

 

Totally good and valid point. I do not disagree with that in the slightest. I think my theory really exists to explain the slow decline to terrible. Several of his companies start out with "generally" positive sentiment (there are admittedly always outliers that have problems, but the majority of sales generate positive sentiment)... then towards the middle of the new company lifespan, a higher percentage of issues arise but the early adopters who have had good experiences usually drown out that feedback... then a tipping point arrives where more bad than good sentiment is had over the product line... customer service quickly tapers from "known to be good" to "understood to be poor" and then the whole system crashes... to eventually be rebooted by a NEWCO a year or two later.

I am a big fan of Tommy... so absolutely no slander intended towards him in the slightest. I am also grateful that someone brought a receiver to market but I have also always known who was associated because back when Wade was releasing his UMP clone, I casually asked if a G36 clone was ever going to be in the works and he immediately said that something was in the works. I asked what kind of timeline there was going to be and he told me that I should really start looking for a part kit sooner rather than later. I scooped up a parts kit before there was any talk about them for very little money and sat and waited and only a few months later, Tommy released his pre-buy announcement. I simply put two and two together and sat quietly on that knowledge.... to the extent that several months ago I found myself in an argument on HKPro with someone who was claiming that the TMP was definitely made on Tommy's own tooling, and I just gave up because knowing what I know about that association, and watching the slow decline of Omega, I drew the obvious conclusion that those designs were coming from the same source.

Now for me... that isn't a big deal. If Tommy stands behind his product and conducts his own due diligence into the quality of the parts he chooses to use... then I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with that. I also sincerely appreciate anyone making a clone of these weapons that I would not normally be able to have afforded or even own... BUT I will call a duck, a duck when I see one... and some people aren't comfortable with that.

Still... I am sympathetic to what you are experience... wish you the best of luck and know that Tommy will take care of you

 

Totally good and valid point. I do not disagree with that in the slightest. I think my theory really exists to explain the slow decline to terrible. Several of his companies start out with "generally" positive sentiment (there are admittedly always outliers that have problems, but the majority of sales generate positive sentiment)... then towards the middle of the new company lifespan, a higher percentage of issues arise but the early adopters who have had good experiences usually drown out that feedback... then a tipping point arrives where more bad than good sentiment is had over the product line... customer service quickly tapers from "known to be good" to "understood to be poor" and then the whole system crashes... to eventually be rebooted by a NEWCO a year or two later.

I am a big fan of Tommy... so absolutely no slander intended towards him in the slightest. I am also grateful that someone brought a receiver to market but I have also always known who was associated because back when Wade was releasing his UMP clone, I casually asked if a G36 clone was ever going to be in the works and he immediately said that something was in the works. I asked what kind of timeline there was going to be and he told me that I should really start looking for a part kit sooner rather than later. I scooped up a parts kit before there was any talk about them for very little money and sat and waited and only a few months later, Tommy released his pre-buy announcement. I simply put two and two together and sat quietly on that knowledge.... to the extent that several months ago I found myself in an argument on HKPro with someone who was claiming that the TMP was definitely made on Tommy's own tooling, and I just gave up because knowing what I know about that association, and watching the slow decline of Omega, I drew the obvious conclusion that those designs were coming from the same source.

Now for me... that isn't a big deal. If Tommy stands behind his product and conducts his own due diligence into the quality of the parts he chooses to use... then I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with that. I also sincerely appreciate anyone making a clone of these weapons that I would not normally be able to have afforded or even own... BUT I will call a duck, a duck when I see one... and some people aren't comfortable with that.

Still... I am sympathetic to what you are experience... wish you the best of luck and know that Tommy will take care of you

I don’t think anyone really knows the true relationship besides them. I have always felt toad has been involved somehow as either an investor or partner or financial backer etc. But I think you are correct.

 

This is my 3rd tommybuilt. 2 sl8 conversations that i sold after hk said they would bring out the 243 which was a complete lie so now i have a tg36er i love. Had issues with the extended bolt release and to sent a new one no questions asked. The gun is a 100% reliable unsuppressed but was having issues with every 3rd case getting stuck on ejection. Pm him what was happening and told me it sounded like the ejection spring which it was. Now 100% both suppressed on unsuppressed. He is top notch.

 

See my other thread. Im an R tard so idk how to post links but i made another thread describing my problem in detail.

Im definitely not the only one whos had these issues either, i just wish we all could be as lucky as you were.

 

I've had zero issues with my TG36C. I'd say I have around 500 rounds through it, with about half of that suppressed. Runs well all the time.

 

Sorry for necro posting but have you had any issues since last year? I bought a Tg36c I plan on suppressing but was going to switch in some hk parts when it arrives to hopefully make it function better. After seeing not stealer reviews and issues even unsupressed. I am worried, have you added in any hk parts?

 

Also regardless of the customer service being phenomenal. Would you really want to keep sending a gun you payed $3k for back to be repaired over and over? Should be good to go for that kind of money. Those are the prices of official military and tried and trusted companies charge. Scar/bren 2/B&T hell even a offical hk mr556 is 3200 BNIB. For 3k it better work without needing repair.

 

How was the bolt contacting trunion..was it not locking or unlocking...binding. both of my g36s are very smooth but they are HK bolts and not GSG

 

They lock/unlock. The locking lug by the ejector is striking the trunnion instead of smoothly seating. The contact has cause both the locking lug and trunnion to deform.

 

Curious as I wonder if it's a trunion issue in material or how it sets..wonder how it headspaces

 

Considering the g36 is suppose to have a mil spec standard I would hope the headspace is good. I don't have a set of 5.56 gauges unfortunately. Maybe trunnion setting. But if the trunnion canted in setting the teeth should all see a equal amount of damage. What do you think?

 

I feel your frustration, I recently picked up my TG36KER a few months back and had stove piping issues along with my US hammer breaking, causing light primer strikes. The stovepiping turned out to be a gas system issue. (Assuming the barrels' gas port was out of spec from GSG.9.) Tom did a fantastic job of taking care of things though, I'm sure he'll set things right.

 

I had a problem like this...I noticed the tip of the bolt hold open device was plowing into the back end of the bullet rim and jamming it up, so I took a Dremel and shave of a little off the tip...slowly until the bullet fed into the chamber without hang ups...

 

I have 2 builds. One is a SL8 coversion with german parts, the other is a TG36 reciever. My SL8 conversion runs flawlessly on anything I feed it. My TG36 is ammo sensitive. For some reason it doesnt like 55gr ammo. But runs ok with 62gr ammo. No idea why. Havent really messed with it since my SL8 conversion just runs so ive just set the TG36 to the side to mess with one of these days in the future.

 

Mine is the same way. I have a partial list of ammo I tested that works with my K-length build. I found PMC X-Tac 62gr (Either M855 or FMJ) is always good, along with 55gr and 62gr Hornady .223