[btk253]

I've been around a while and can't remember such a BS post . NO one talked about the real experience level as a pistol shooter of the OP . What I find hilarious is the extended mag release being a part of the problem . Are you Effing kidding me ?
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🤣 124gr is always the standard answer. If you're not gripping the gun correctly at ignition of the cartridge , it don't make a rat's ass what grain ammo you're shooting. Good fundamentals overcome weak ammo every time .

Thank you very much for that input, I've been working on my grip and my draw everyday at least 50 draws a night.

I make sure to have thumbs forward- not overlapping, a nice vise effect from the left hand and the right hand, and a good solid two-handed grip.

I would love to take some professional classes but I just don't have the money right now. I try to learn as much as I can about the fundamentals like you were saying, from as many free sources as possible. Lots of good information on YouTube, but also lots of terrible information! (Got to find a trusted YouTuber to get consistently accurate information)

But I think my grip is pretty on point. I'm not new to shooting or guns by any means, just new to HK.
This is my first HK gun, AND this is my first brand new gun I've ever owned. So, new experience for me, and overall I'm loving it.

Thanks again for the info, anything else you care to share with a first time new gun owner, first time HK owner, I'd be more than happy to hear what you have to say

Take care and stay safe, Brian

Btw , there is no " break in period " on an HK . You get rid of the factory cosmoline , use a good lube where needed and shoot the damn thing . Is an HK that sensitive to ammo ? That depends on you . I've started with 115gr when 124 wasn't available and never had a problem .

Shoot the damn thing!

You know, I bought multiple boxes of Hornady critical defense when I bought the pistol. 115 grain of course. While I had this threaded barrel in there, I had my failure to feed that started this thread. I swapped the barrel out, and now when it fires it goes back into battery perfectly.

So there's no breaking.? Well this is great to hear. Seeing as I don't have the money to put hundreds of rounds through the gun simply to get it ready to be able to shoot lol I want to work on target acquisition, stance, grip, etc. So that's wonderful to know.

When you said, "...that depends on you.", were you referring only to therdxf the pistol?

Plenty of people have had issues and reported them here going back to 2014 that the VP9 series was not cycling properly when new and tight.

Wow That's good to know. I never heard about that, it sounds like it was pretty widespread and well documented. I assume these early 'malfunctions' on new vp9s / VP9SKs cleared up over time, due to one reason or another?

 

[Crashmc]

Thank you very much for that input, I've been working on my grip and my draw everyday at least 50 draws a night.

I make sure to have thumbs forward- not overlapping, a nice vise effect from the left hand and the right hand, and a good solid two-handed grip.

I would love to take some professional classes but I just don't have the money right now. I try to learn as much as I can about the fundamentals like you were saying, from as many free sources as possible. Lots of good information on YouTube, but also lots of terrible information! (Got to find a trusted YouTuber to get consistently accurate information)

But I think my grip is pretty on point. I'm not new to shooting or guns by any means, just new to HK.
This is my first HK gun, AND this is my first brand new gun I've ever owned. So, new experience for me, and overall I'm loving it.

Thanks again for the info, anything else you care to share with a first time new gun owner, first time HK owner, I'd be more than happy to hear what you have to say

Take care and stay safe, Brian

Shoot the damn thing!

You know, I bought multiple boxes of Hornady critical defense when I bought the pistol. 115 grain of course. While I had this threaded barrel in there, I had my failure to feed that started this thread. I swapped the barrel out, and now when it fires it goes back into battery perfectly.

So there's no breaking.? Well this is great to hear. Seeing as I don't have the money to put hundreds of rounds through the gun simply to get it ready to be able to shoot lol I want to work on target acquisition, stance, grip, etc. So that's wonderful to know.

When you said, "...that depends on you.", were you referring only to therdxf the pistol?

Wow That's good to know. I never heard about that, it sounds like it was pretty widespread and well documented. I assume these early 'malfunctions' on new vp9s / VP9SKs cleared up over time, due to one reason or another?

Whatever .

 

[allbusiness]

(Okay. Where did this come from? I thought you were being helpful. If you don't care why did you even take the time to write whatever?)
EDIT - Nevermind, don't answer please.

Just take care, and kindly leave this thread, Please.
I Don't want any drama, I am just trying to learn- as you had to do at some point.

Thank you for understanding.

Crash being Crash .

To answer your question from earlier, its been mostly newer gun owners not cleaning, lubing and or being fundamentally sound (Hence the initial response from our buddy Crash).

Enjoy your new firearm don't over think it

 

[benben]

Thought I’d throw this out there, my one and only ammo related issue with any of my HK’s….and I never even once pulled the trigger!

Out of spec brass on Cor-Bon JHP 115gr +P. Always loved that round out of my G26, flat and straight as a laser! It absolutely locked my P2000sk down, took some real force to get the slide back and get that round out. Maybe it was just a bad lot? Never took that chance again, strictly HST 124gr +P from that incident forward.

And S&B 124gr practice ammo for all of my 9mm HK’s, never had one issue ever!

 

[German]

Plenty of people have had issues and reported them here going back to 2014 that the VP9 series was not cycling properly when new and tight.

Plenty of people can't shoot and hold a gun correctly. So there's that.

Never had a VP9 or SFP9 not cycle correctly.

For every single model firearm you plan to purchase?

Fundamentals are not gun-specific. That's why they are fundamentals.
A sufficiently strong grip is one part of it.

 

[allbusiness]

Plenty of people can't shoot and hold a gun correctly. So there's that.

Never had a VP9 or SFP9 not cycle correctly.



Fundamentals are not gun-specific. That's why they are fundamentals.
A sufficiently strong grip is one part of it.

Not sure what you are getting at here.. but to say because you, Crash, or i myself have not had an issue doesn't mean others haven't ..There were plenty of threads in the past with (mostly newer shooters or new to HK) and the vp9 RSA having these issues.
You've been here since 2000 you know this..

Also not sure why we are rehashing all this when the OP issue has been resolved.

Again i dont understand what the issue is telling newer HK shooters to:
Clean, lube, use brass and get your grip and finger to coordinate with your brain like Crash said...

Locking the slide back for a few nights and using +p on break in will also help to prevent this issue being discussed. These guns are tight off the factory floor.

115grain is for your wife or shooting paper after the firearm has filed itself down closer to normal running tolerances.
Not everyone is an rso or familiar with firearms like alot of professionals or long time enthusiasts around here. Expecting everyone to have yours or my experience with these firearms is once again unrealistic.

Please mods lock this thread ffs

Edited to clarify

 

[JB1]

Lol, ok I'll watch out for our buddy haha.

Thanks man ok, points heard! I returned to stock and will be getting in some range time ASAP. Hopefully this weekend.
Absolutely love the solid nature of the gun. Can't wait to become as proficient with this tool, as my others

Thanks again!

Don't forget to read your manual. Some good info in there especially about proper lubrication. Have fun and good luck. I'm going to shoot my VP9sk and P30L tomorrow. I finally bought some AR500 steel targets and have been shooting up a storm for the last month.

 

[Left4Dead]

Lol, ok I'll watch out for our buddy haha.

Thanks man ok, points heard! I returned to stock and will be getting in some range time ASAP. Hopefully this weekend.
Absolutely love the solid nature of the gun. Can't wait to become as proficient with this tool, as my others

Thanks again!

I used to think Crash was being a little harsh, but after being on this site for awhile now, I get it. Hes one of the more knowledgeable ppl on here and it does get a little tiring when these newer gun owners (especially the ones that jumped in during the 2020 rush) have such concrete opinions, not alot of firearms knowledge, and have to be basically deprogrammed from all the BS they hear at the LGS and on YT. For what's it worth, someones gotta do it.


Not talking directing about OP, just an observation.

 

[Crashmc]

.".There were plenty of threads in the past with (mostly newer shooters or new to HK) and the original vp9 rsa having these issues. "

I was very active on the forum when the VP9 rolled out . I got one of the first ones released and shot the piss out of it . The issue with the first RSA was being too weak . The slide could be pushed out of battery very easily . HK sent me the new RSA ( stronger spring ) about a year later , and I went and bought the weak 115gr Blazer ammo to test with . Besides cases landing in my shoes and shirt pocket, no problemo ! So , I don't remember folks having problems with weak ammo or having to lock the slide back when the VP first rolled out . Not saying it didn't happen , I just don't remember seeing it here .

" These guns are tight off the factory floor ".
" after the firearm has filed itself down closer to normal running tolerances. "

The tolerance that HK uses to manufacture their guns are what they are . There is no metal or other materials that " wear in " . You'll see the finish up near the muzzle of the barrel, the barrel hood , or up under the top of the slide eventually show some discoloration on the finish due to rubbing , but there is no metal being removed or displaced .

 

[allbusiness]

Pushed out of battery with the original rsa then the pistols being very tight once they started putting the vp40 rsa in them. That's when the leave the slide locked back and +p ammo tips started. Also to say the metal on metal contact points don't wear in is a joke . There are literally visible points of contact that wear in. With this bs discussion im tempted to take photos my new in box 45c group buy pistol this weekend and run 1000 rounds through it to prove it.
It took about 1200 rounds through my black 45c to loosen up and maybe another 2-300 for the trigger to also smooth out as well. I find this argument kinda comical coming from someone who has the experience you have driving these pistols

*You can even see where the polymer itself near the rails gets knarled as you break the pistols in..

 

[Crashmc]

Pushed out of battery with the original rsa then the pistols being very tight once they started putting the vp40 rsa in them. That's when the leave the slide locked back and +p ammo tips started. Also to say the metal on metal contact points don't wear in is a joke . There are literally visible points of contact that wear in. With this bs discussion im tempted to take photos my new in box 45c group buy pistol this weekend and run 1000 rounds through it to prove it.
It took about 1200 rounds through my black 45c to loosen up and maybe another 2-300 for the trigger to also smooth out as well. I find this argument kinda comical coming from someone who has the experience you have driving these pistols

Grab a set of calipers and tell me how much metal has been removed . Isn't the muzzle of your barrel still locked down tight to your slide ? I know for a damn fact it is .
Remember the comment @German made about the springs ? You wear a spring by compression and decompression (cycling ) . Not by just compressing it . I've got 6, 000 rounds on this Expert. You can still see the tool marks on the side of the barrel hood .

 

[allbusiness]

Grab a set of calipers and tell me how much metal has been removed . Isn't the muzzle of your barrel still locked down tight to your slide ? I know for a damn fact it is .
Remember the comment @German made about the springs ? You wear a spring by compression and decompression (cycling ) . Not by just compressing it .

I've been around the automotive industry for 20 years I know what metal on metal does to each other.

At the very least it will smooth out imperfections... and clean up the tolerances
And at worst the softer material gets eatin up and possibly destroyed. (Like the knarled polymer)

The spring on the other hand definitely gets a work out with +p ammo. "Cycling" is infact compression and decompression again you are playing word semantics here. +P ammo assures a more aggressive cycling of the slide. Which in turn breaks in the rsa and is why people recommended it..

 

[Crashmc]

I've been around the automotive industry for 20 years I know what metal on metal does to each other.

At the very least it will smooth out imperfections...
And at worst the softer material gets eatin up and possibly destroyed. (Like the knarled polymer)

The spring on the other hand definitely gets a work out with +p ammo. "Cycling" is infact compression and decompression again you are playing word semantics here. +P ammo assures a more aggressive cycling of the slide. Which in turn breaks in the rsa and is why people recommended it..

i'm with you on the ammo part to some extent . I just wonder how much +P you have to shoot . Stronger ammo will help make up for weaker fundamentals .

 

[allbusiness]

i'm with you on the ammo part to some extent . I just wonder how much +P you have to shoot . Stronger ammo will help make up for weaker fundamentals .

I'd rather have less "my new pistol failed" if all it took was recommending a few hundred rounds of +p rounds for break in. Coincidentally it would help the new owners realize they need to grip the pistol better going forward as well.
Like I stated earlier in the thread you are killing 2 birds with 1 stone giving this advice

 

[Crashmc]

I'd rather have less "my new pistol failed" if all it took was recommending a few hundred rounds of +p rounds for break in. Coincidentally it would help the new owners realize they need to grip the pistol better going forward as well.
Like I stated earlier in the thread you are killing 2 birds with 1 stone giving this advice

I volunteer at ranges around NC as an RSO . I enjoy it . What gets me and I go up to 'em on the firing line and ask politely if that's a new gun , especially with an older person or woman when I see a semi auto , especially a.380 . The slide on a .380 has no mass and it's all about grip and timing or you have a one shot small brick . Most ranges have some sort of orientation class but when folks get out on the firing line , things can become a blur , and I get it . But hey ......

It's all chicken but his beak , and that's his pecker .

 

[mrerick]

The smaller caliber unlocked breech design firearms can be more sensitive to proper grip and support, but I often see poor grip and support affect even locked breech handguns 9mm and greater in caliber.

Brand new guns can be stiffer in hand as they cycle, and harsher plus more challenging on recoil. Add overpressure ammunition to that mix and it often results in poor cycling performance.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the engineering and metallurgy in HK products is second to none. I don't personally swap out HK parts with aftermarket parts.

 

[allbusiness]

The smaller caliber unlocked breech design firearms can be more sensitive to proper grip and support, but I often see poor grip and support affect even locked breech handguns 9mm and greater in caliber.

Brand new guns can be stiffer in hand as they cycle, and harsher plus more challenging on recoil. Add overpressure ammunition to that mix and it often results in poor cycling performance.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the engineering and metallurgy in HK products is second to none. I don't personally swap out HK parts with aftermarket parts.

I can't recall anyone with +p ammo having the issue. It's mostly 115 lightweight stuff that the new stiff rsa overpowers with the help of bad fundamentals. Crash is absolutely correct that an improper grip trigger pull timing is the culprit in most if not all cases. The +p simply helps make up for improper technique and the tight tolerances/stiff rsa

 

[Jslow]

This is all so simple to me. Shoot 124gr nato factory ammo first for a couple hundred rounds. Keep your weapons cleaned and don’t mess with HK OEM parts!!!!!!!!! They freakin know how to build guns and their parts much better than us common folk.

 

[Crashmc]

I can't recall anyone with +p ammo having the issue. It's mostly 115 lightweight stuff that the new stiff rsa overpowers with the help of bad fundamentals. Crash is absolutely correct that an improper grip trigger pull timing is the culprit in most if not all cases. The +p simply helps make up for improper technique

In all fairness to everyone , I'm damn fortunate to be a member of a club with 10 different ranges . We have 1,400 members and a 3 year wait to get in . Most people probably don't have access to an outdoor range . I go out during the week and get my own pistol shooting pit out to 60 yards or so and take my time and learn the gun . I'm thankful for that . When your not rushed it makes it a helluva lot easier to learn how to shoot .

 

[Crashmc]

I used to think Crash was being a little harsh, but after being on this site for awhile now, I get it. Hes one of the more knowledgeable ppl on here and it does get a little tiring when these newer gun owners (especially the ones that jumped in during the 2020 rush) have such concrete opinions, not alot of firearms knowledge, and have to be basically deprogrammed from all the BS they hear at the LGS and on YT. For what's it worth, someones gotta do it.


Not talking directing about OP, just an observation.

Thank you for your kind words ! I'm just trying to help folks . I joined this forum right before the VP9 was rolled out . We got trolled to death , that's the reason for my post count being so high . I help protect the brand from statements that aren't correct . My background is manufacturing and what BS is said on these forums can ultimately cost jobs if enough people believe what they hear . HK don't miss much before the reveal .