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CC9 First 100 rounds and thoughts

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#1 · (Edited)
To start off, I didn't have the time today to do my intended comparison with my P365 and VP9sk. That will have to come later.

I had a little time today to run 100 rounds through my CC9 and I will share my thoughts after a few caveats:

1) I was limited on time.
2) The goal was a dry run, I wanted to take shots quickly and somewhat instinctively given that this gun is designed for concealed carry.
3) I don't have a holster yet, all "draws" were from the gun sitting in front of me flat on the bench.
4) No optic on the gun.
5) Magazines were (mostly) loaded to 10 rounds to keep things simple. I did load the 12rd to max capacity once.

Ammo was Sellier and Bellot 124 gr. FMJ.

With that out of the way, here's how it went. First two mags were 7 yds with the old "two shots as fast as you can from the draw". These shots were set for a 3-second timer with the target turning but my average was about 1.5 seconds.

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(First target after the first two magazines)

After that, I ran some modified Mozambique drills, again at 7 yds. These were only one shot to the body, not two. Once again, this was essentially point and shoot. This is also where I really noticed I was shooting a small gun. After that, I went to 15 yds for a magazine, same two shot drills as at 7 yds with a couple shots going for the headbox as well. Last magazine (really a partial mag for those keeping track) was 25 yds with me taking a little more time to line up the shots.

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(First target after 50-60 additional rounds, thinking back, I actually switched targets after going into the second box; Note that the hole below the paper was from a previous shooter)

No picture of the second target, but I basically repeated the same thing again.

So, my thoughts after firing the CC9:

No failures of any kind occurred.

It shoots well for its size but, physics are physics, and you know you're shooting a micro-compact. It does handle the recoil well for the size and I wouldn't say it's overly "snappy".

The grip is excellent and really helps to control the gun during recoil and therefore it is easy to return to target quickly. I used the smaller back strap that came on the gun but I think the larger one might work better for my hands.

The trigger is decent. I previously said it wasn't as good as a VP9 trigger but it was actually just fine during fire. I can see it smoothing out after use. The reset is short and tactile.

I tended to [EDIT] push [/EDIT] the rounds slightly to the left with this gun but that was clearly just me. On the second target I was able to slow down and easily put the shots right where I wanted them. Again, I probably need to install the larger back strap.

I had no issues with the slide release or the magazine release. The magazine release is well-positioned and does not get in the way (not worried about inadvertently releasing it when shooting) and the slide locked back every time the magazine ran dry. I think it would be difficult for most people to inadvertently ride the slide release during fire.

The goal of this was to really just run the gun to get a feel for it, not to provide exact data points. I still intend to run some drills with this gun and my VP9sk and P365 side-by-side. That said, I feel comfortable saying I shoot my VP9sk better but will also admit I have not put in much training time with a micro-compact. I actually enjoyed shooting this gun, something that I can't say about some other micros.

Will this be my new EDC? Time will tell, but my first-impression is that it's definitely a contender for the hot-weather, t-shirt days. Fortunately, I have plenty of time to break it in before that weather returns. If anyone has any questions I will do my best to answer them.

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(The gun after the first 100 rounds, wiped clean for the picture.)
 
#2 ·
I tended to pull the rounds slightly to the left with this gun but that was clearly just me.
That's not pulling, that's (literally) pushing. Same happens likely with other slimline pistols if you "jam" your trigger finger as far in the trigger guard as you are used to with wider framed pistols. Try to focus to put more of the tip of your finger than the first bend on the trigger and you'll loose that tendency to the left.

Initially you'll loose 0.1 seconds on the timer because you'll have to think about it, but it becomes second nature quite quick.
 
#3 ·
That's not pulling, that's (literally) pushing. Same happens likely with other slimline pistols if you "jam" your trigger finger as far in the trigger guard as you are used to with wider framed pistols. Try to focus to put more of the tip of your finger than the first bend on the trigger and you'll loose that tendency to the left.
Correct, my mistake. :p
 
#5 ·
I meant to put this here.
I find with the tiny slim pistols my support hand as it grips tends to pull me left more then my trigger finger placement. I find if I ease up on my support grip a bit and find a “memory pad spot” for my support thumb to rest against it keeps things centered.

or conversely …….. the guns shoot left, it’s definitely the guns or maybe the ammo. Yeah definitely the guns and the ammo. :p

That’s great shooting with the little guy. I start to fall apart with these at around 12-15 yards but truth be told 15 yards is getting out of my comfort zone with handguns in general.

Really appreciate the time taken to give some insights.
 
#8 ·
Not a weird question at all because I actually tried it myself, haha. The answer is yes, both can be done although it was considerably easier with the middle finger than the index finger.

I personally found my dominant (RH) thumb to be the best for this gun, which was expected given the button release.
 
#9 ·
Thanks for your review! I ordered one today, can't wait to try it out! I bought two Hellcats when they came out (I usually buy two of the same carry guns and run one with optics, one without) and I just found the gun to be unpleasant to shoot and a little too snappy for my liking. I just couldn't warm up to the hellcat to make it my everyday. I moved to the Glock 43X for most CC days.. but on days I need something slightly smaller, I still grab my hellcat. This will fill the slot where my Hellcat was, and perhaps even take over for my G43X and maybe, just maybe be my one and only carry gun.

Congrats on landing one so early, I felt lucky to find mine at a fair price.
 
#11 · (Edited)
This will fill the slot where my Hellcat was, and perhaps even take over for my G43X and maybe, just maybe be my one and only carry gun.
This is sorta the boat I'm in at this point. I mostly carry a P365, but very recently gave the Glock 43 another chance and like it more the second time around. On top of that, I'm a newcomer to optics and have been carrying a P365 XMacro quite a bit now that I've gotten some familiarity with that skill set (none of my other pistols are optic-ready).

But I've been waiting for an easier-to-carry option from HK, and when I get a CC9 (hopefully soon!!) and determine that it is both reliable and shootable (which I expect), then I suspect my other options will either stay in my safe or be traded in.
 
#15 ·
Congrats on landing one so early, I felt lucky to find mine at a fair price.
Same; I paid well under MSRP, I would have waited if it was above that.

One reviewer I saw mention the recoil impulse was more than a p365, which I find unusual. Wondering if you have other micro 9's comparable in size (P365XL,G43x) and your comparison to those for recoil control. Nice review.
I have a PPS Classic and M2, as well as a P365 but I have not shot them side by side yet so I can't make a fair comparison.

I can say that there was nothing overly harsh about the recoil of the CC9 and I felt like it was very much in line with the others, but that is totally subjective since I didn't have them with me.
 
#18 ·
Is the slide stop fully shielded on the grip on the back?

I'm guessing once again they're insisting on a grip style a lot people don't use in putting the thumb down into that groove. And for most folks running thumbs high, the sporadic encumbrance of the stop with a thumb is on the table.
 
#19 · (Edited)
Is the slide stop fully shielded on the grip on the back?

I'm guessing once again they're insisting on a grip style a lot people don't use in putting the thumb down into that groove. And for most folks running thumbs high, the sporadic encumbrance of the stop with a thumb is on the table.
It is not, just a very low profile. I probably shouldn't have said "most people" but I find it unobtrusive and it is quite stiff, making it unlikely for me to accidentally ride it while shooting, something that was an issue for me with the P30 unless I changed my grip.

If anything, I would say it is difficult to use it as a "slide release" on the CC9 when compared to other HK pistols.

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#31 ·
Just a quick update, I ran 50 rounds each of HST 124gr +p and HST 147gr +p through the CC9 yesterday without issue. Accuracy at 10 yds was the same between the two and the recoil difference was minimal, with the 124gr having a little more "snap" as expected.

I will likely use the 147gr +p for carry due to the shorter barrel, but I imagine any of the HST loads will be gtg in this gun.
 
#37 ·
I spent a day dry firing and racking the slide on mine while watching a movie the day I got it in, it got noticeably smoother by the end of the day. The slide is still pretty stiff though, but I don’t mind that. Took it to the range the next day and put 100 rounds of S&B FMJ through it plus 30 rounds of my usual Federal HST 147 +P and it ran perfectly, trigger was fine. It’s no hybrid match LEM like on the USP but I won’t go into the hammer debate 😁.

As far as recoil it’s noticeably better than the G43X, I’m selling the Glock now that I have no reason to ever use it again. Never fired a 365 so can’t compare to it but I took both the 43X (no optic) and the CC9 at the same time and the difference was readily apparent.

I don’t find it comfortable at all trying to activate the right side mag release with my trigger finger the way I’m used to with paddles but I have plenty of button mag guns too so it’s no big deal. I do appreciate that the CC9 is truly ambi in the mag release and not just switchable like most guns are.
 
#40 ·
like to know your thoughts and opinion after side by side with p365 as I have shot them and im a novice shooter and have more time wiht p365 and initially was able to control it better then the first visit with cc9, it did get better as the ammo went down range and yes the trigger on cc9 much better then standard trigger on my p365 , love to hear from more seasoned shooter
 
#44 · (Edited)
So I went to the range again yesterday and have a few additional thoughts to share. Keep in mind that these are just my thoughts based on my experience; what works best for me may not work as well for you.

I shot the CC9 side-by-side with the VP9sk and the P365, primarily shooting Bill Drills and Failure Drills. I shot the CC9 better than the 365; I found it was more comfortable for me to shoot and I was able to shoot faster, accurate follow-up shots. I think this is less about recoil characteristics and more about how well the gun works for me; I am able to get back on target faster with the CC9. I have not experienced any issues with the slide stop or magazine release on the CC9; no failures to lock back or inadvertent mag releases and reloads are smooth and effortless. The VP9sk was hands-down faster and more accurate at speed than the CC9, which was to be expected as it has significantly less recoil and the wider grip allows me to get a better grip and a faster draw. The bonus of this is that it reminded me of how well the VP9sk shoots, even comparing favorably to slightly larger guns, and to the point that an additional 50 rounds went through it after the other two pistols were put away. (More on that below)

The ammo used for this particular comparison was Fiocchi 124gr standard pressure. The total number of rounds through the CC9 is now ~325, including carry ammo, with no issues. Carry ammo tested with the CC9 so far has been Federal HST 124gr +P and 147gr +P as well as Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P; the gun runs all of them quite well with consistent ejection and accuracy. So far, I have shot 50 rounds of the Federal 124gr loads, 50 rounds of the 147gr load, and 25 rounds of the Speer. As previously stated, I intend to carry the heavier HST load in this gun given the shorter barrel.

In the end, the VP9sk will be my primary carry gun (replacing the P2000), with the CC9 getting the nod for the warmer months, or when I just want to carry a smaller gun.

Overall, I am very pleased with the CC9 and I look forward to shooting more drills with it, particularly with an optic. I cannot state this enough: The CC9 is a great gun and as much an HK as the other pistols in their lineup.
 
#45 ·
What’s makes you want an optic? Do you usually carry with an optic? How are the stock sights? Those are usually the main thing I change out on my H&Ks. I actually like the Sig P365 stock sites with the bright green circle on the front sight.

I usually don’t carry with a red/green dot optic just to have a smaller and lighter platform in general with easier drawing, but I do have a P365X with their little Romeo Zero. The main downside is the dang thing is so small you can actually lose the dot without a lot of training and brining it up to a proper eye height. I have a couple other ones like a Holosun 507 on a P365 AXG and it’s definitely easier to pickup compared to the Sig Romeo 0 sights.

My P2000SK is stock so obviously an optic isn’t available but I wouldn’t put one on it even if I could. I actually prefer iron sights, I guess in my heart I’m a boomer lol