I would love to tell you that you could get one but to my knowledge no dose. The closest you can get is the tbostic gen-3 kit do a search you will find quite a bit of info on this topic

 

Thanks Misfit. It's too bad that there hasn't been a cloned G36 receiver out there yet. I'll read up on what you've recommended and keep searching. Thank you sir.

 

glad you posted this because......

I was sitting here looking for info to do the same thing.

 

Welcome One Man

I too wish someone made an HK G36 rec. Someone needs to open a business and make rifle rec. and impossible rifles that people want. Hell, boost the economy. There is enough people that a company could get rich off of all of us. Any tycoons listening? TAVOR, G36 would be my prefered list.

 

Is someone still working on UMP lower receivers?

 

I think Ed at HDPS still has something in the works.

 

Duh, sorry I meant UPPER receivers!!!

 

I would take a UMP clone receiver.

 

Aside from the potential intellectual property infringment issue, cost alone would be the deterant. I once had a G36 magwell looked at by a local fabricator and was told probably $5-6K for the prototyping and final tooling... and that was a magwell. I would estimate that an entire receiver would cost somewhere in the ball park of $15K or more to tool-up. Then there's the issue of the trunion... is molded right in so figure the cost of R&D for that is probably pretty high.

In short, you'd have to sell A LOT of them before turning a profit. Granted, they'd be higly desired if they were good quality but I think you'd have to sell them for at least $500+ to even have a shot.

I've considered it, but aside from the legalities, I think the financial risk is too high.

 

If it really only cost $15,000.00 to create a reproducable aftermarket part I see no reason that the developer wouldn't turn a profit the first year of production. The demand for this conversion part is staggering from the research I've conducted. At any rate, even if it took two years to turn a profit that would still be considered an excellent business venture when compared to the national average.

Time for more research methinks...

 

If it really only cost $15,000.00 to create a reproducable aftermarket part I see no reason that the developer wouldn't turn a profit the first year of production. The demand for this conversion part is staggering from the research I've conducted. At any rate, even if it took two years to turn a profit that would still be considered an excellent business venture when compared to the national average.

Time for more research methinks...

$15,000? For mold tooling for a receiver? GTFOH! Just the mold itself would run $75,000 starting at the bottom end, and that doesn't include the engineering time to design it. I used to work for a connector manufacturer that owned our own injection molding facility. After the parts were designed, the mold house would spend at least a week or two designing the molds. Simple connector molds would run $30,000 - $50,000.

It's not easy to manufacture things like this and still turn a profit. Once the design of the product and tooling are done, they're not free after that. You still have to pay for materials, labor for someone to run the machine (who will also want a profit) unless you buy your own, (there's $100k easy right there) package it, yada yada yada. My guess would be more like $250,000 before you were cranking out receivers for sale.

Then don't forget that Uncle Sam takes what, 20% or so on top of normal income, corporate, and wage taxes?

If this stuff was easy, everyone would be doing it.

 

Hence the huge: "If"

I agree with you man.

 

Eh, what do I know, I'm just a simple computer guy who like guns

But yeah, I knew my $15K estimate was going to be off... was simply basing it off a $5K estimate for a magwell.

 

Eh, what do I know, I'm just a simple computer guy who like guns

But yeah, I knew my $15K estimate was going to be off... was simply basing it off a $5K estimate for a magwell.

The magwell estimate might not be far off depending on how it was going to be done. He may have been planning on using some of the rapid prototyping methods, which would have been ok for that part, just not for a receiver that has to have a metal frame buried beneath, or a composite material which doesn't work in a rapid proto scenario.

Molds like one for a G36 or UMP are crazy expensive for two reasons - one because of the time involved to design the mold but two, because the guy that makes the mold and the guy that uses the mold to make parts are trying to pay off $100k+ machines.

And I just don't think the volume is as high as we all think it would be. I sometimes wonder if it's because the general public just hasn't quite accepted plastic framed rifles yet like they have plastic framed handguns. But I'm betting that will increase over time as more and more mfgs start using polymer for their receivers.

 

I do some work for a manufacturer that makes alot of different stuff here and over seas, I showed a couple of the Engineers my reciever, and a trunion, and the other 2 metal inserts that I have excavated out of G36 parts kits. Even having an Injection mold made over seas and having the other three pieces machined here, its not even close to what folks would think. The Quote just for injection mold was around $78K plus shipping here on the slow boat and import fee's and this was a deal from people that I was doing buisiness with.Then there is getting the other parts made.The other issue is the patent that H&K holds on the product, the 90 series stuff is all old so there isnt really an issue but these plastic guns came out in the late 90's .So if you could over come all of that. 100K doesnt sound to bad if you can get $1K per reciever and get 1K sold, you might break even . Even at that its a good deal, a parts kit is $13 to $16 hundred plus ,1k for the reciever , and $200.00 to SBR and your still way below of what any of us with a G36 conversion has spent to get what we have now.So now we need a Hundred grand and a bunch of parts kits.

 

I've got a hundred bucks to spare (maybe more if I ever win the WSOP)... when can we start

 

The company that I was working for has a few of those machines, thats were I had my Gen II kits made on an SLA and some other parts.You defintely want to get an SLS model made before you spend the money on having your tooling done, that would be an expensive mistake. I dont care how good you are, you arnt going to get that right the first time.

 

Believe me I have been beating this up for at least a year.

 

Yes i agree i looked and looked but none out there. I would really love a UMP!!! I think this may be as others have said not available due to patent reasons. Like the big drug companies they hold there product patents so tight they could turn coal into a diamond. So keep your fingers crossed some one will step up at the expiration of there patent rights, or spent the $ on a complete firearm just to get the upper. As much as we dont like it they did spend lots of money and time developing the original product and are willing to spend just a little bit more to ensure exclusive production.

 

Not to revive the thread (as I'm new), but the last posts here were in '08.

Has anyone considered the 3D printers? I mean, they're making homes and cars with these things! How hard would it be to set a
trunion piece in and mold around it, or simply IMPROVE IT and use a more AR15-type barrel that easier, faster, cheaper, FAR more
common, and would end the 'trunion/accuracy debate?

Just curious.....

 

You could have just started a new thread.... but I'll chime in with my 2 cents. HK's nylon formula is 1. Unknown. 2. 3D printers cannot print the firearms grade nylon structure. ABS is the hardest plastic Makerbot uses. There is a filament LulzBot uses, Nylon 645, but I have no idea if it's firearms grade or anywhere close to what HK uses. In fact I'd take a wild guess and say it's not.

 

Patents are good for 20 years IIRC so still lots of time left on that clock before an aftermarket version can be made.

 

Maybe someone can just 3D print one, or at least just the rear sections so people can do their conversions without having to source a demilled rear section.