yeah, it's all about the money......... it's far more cost advantages and to their befit for HK to just sell the license, then for them to make the machinery to go into the parts production for a gun they don't even make



while you, and some other think it's a good idea. for HK it's expensive and unnecessary venture

 

i voted NO. It’s a .22 plinker. It would cost a considerable amount of money to do these things, and paying 2,3 times the price, or more, just for a more “realIstic” .22 isn’t worth it to me. If the price gets up to MKE AP5 levels, no one is going to spend the same money for a .22 when they can get a 9mm for the same price, German parts or not.

 

I have a different viewpoint and actually am totally aligned with @rand000 on this. First thing I did after buying my 416 .22 was put one of those Geissele tan rails on it. The rail was more expensive than the gun. Why? 'cause it looked cool and I wanted to mount a bipod on this for teaching my kid to shoot. I've replaced the A2 flash hider with one of these adapters HK416 barrel adapter to easily connect my suppressor. As @rand000 said, the gun is a huge pile of junk. The rail fit with about an hour worth of hammering which was facilitated by a special wood jig I had to fabricate. The barrel is totally unsupported. When you separate the lower from the upper, the entire upper housing, bolt and barrel fall right out. Everything is zink... or plastic. You can see I've upgraded the buttstock too, and would have upgraded the buffer tube (so the stock actually fit well) but that's not an option. Yea, given the opportunity, I would invest in upgrade options if HK offered them much as they do in the airsoft community and if anyone recalls the Beretta CX4 Storm, there was a whole market for "aftermarket" upgrades to it. I mean we all did it with 1911s back in the day by replacing everything on them with parts from Wilson Combat or EGW... What rand000 is suggesting is not any different, he's just saying HK should be the company offering the upgrades or partnering with Umarex, Walther, etc. to license a line of upgraded parts.

 

Have you seen any of the high-end MP5 airsoft guns?
For whatever reason HK's officially licensed airsoft guns seem to be of higher quality than their 22s.
Specifically:
Cocking tube assembly
Trigger pack
Bolt carrier

 

Pretty sure if they did everything you are suggesting the price for a .22 plinker would be astronomical and no one would buy them.

 

Only military .22lr clone I know of note that you can readily use standard military parts, outside of the bolt, magazine and barrel, is the AR/M16.
Stocks, triggers, sights, handguards, flash suppressor...........

With the dust cover closed, they are indistinguishable from their centerfire counterpart.

I have built several uppers, and tuned several more.
Run one full auto on my M16A1.

RCA

 

The only other option would be obtaining a very rare .22lr conversion kit made by H&K for the MP5.
MP5 22 conversion kit.

 

Learned something new today. Pretty cool. But id imagine the price would be absurd to obtain one of these kits. I'll stick to my Walther Arms made 22LR MP5SD

 

In almost every regard, the kits are cool...and you get to plink with the actual firearm you prefer, for a fraction of the price of the larger centerfire ammo.

HOWEVER...The kits rarely are worth it from an economical standpoint. You are much much better off buying a dedicated 22 firearm which is probably more practical, accurate, reliable and shootable. Notably, those MP5 22 units the OP mentions...they are chincey and would turn me off the platform completely.

exceptions are kits to make something full-auto...the cyclic rate on my M16 22 kit makes it fun as hell!

first world problems we are discussing!

 

In almost every regard, the kits are cool...and you get to plink with the actual firearm you prefer, for a fraction of the price of the larger centerfire ammo.

HOWEVER...The kits rarely are worth it from an economical standpoint. You are much much better off buying a dedicated 22 firearm which is probably more practical, accurate, reliable and shootable. Notably, those MP5 22 units the OP mentions...they are chincey and would turn me off the platform completely.

exceptions are kits to make something full-auto...the cyclic rate on my M16 22 kit makes it fun as hell!

first world problems we are discussing!

IIRC the MP5 22lr conversion kits just use direct blow back.
How difficult it would be to make a roller lock that works for 22lr?

Looking at the SAAMI pressure specs 22lr aren't that low:
9mm = 35,000
22lr = 24,000

 

I'd settle for an A2 stock that fits. I've accumulated the remainder of the front end parts from the former GSG offering that I think will enable me to get rid of the horrible faux "SD" appearance. The stock, however, has eluded me so far.

 

I've accumulated the remainder of the front end parts from the former GSG offering that I think will enable me to get rid of the horrible faux "SD" appearance.

Finally had enough down time to pull apart both the GSG and HK front ends. This approach won't work without extensive machining for the following reasons:

1. The receivers are quite differently configured, including the barrel mounting
2. The body shells and cocking tubes are differently configured at their mating point
3. The GSG barrel has a much larger OD.

I considered machining the HK receiver to accept the GSG barrel but don't think it's worth the effort of removing the GSG barrel and machining the HK receiver - the GSG barrel appears to be pressed into its mount. I have comparison photos if anyone's interested. Holding onto the parts in case I find a GSG body shell to do a build.

 

I can't imagine that HK would be stupid enough to provide warranty work on something they didn't design of manufacture , let alone put their logo on . Hk gets what they deserve .

 

I have the older version of the Walther licensed MP5 from 2014 w/the fake, non SD, silencer and like Grumpoldretired, I’d settle just for an A2 stock. That’s the only thing I’d add to this .22 since it’s a .22 and not even close to a “real” HK SP5 or HK94. For me, that’s fine since again, it’s a .22

With that said, I do understand wanting better quality parts, but that cost more than what I’d like to pay for a plinker.

The only difference I’ve seen from the new “HK” MP5, in .22 is the huge HK stamp on the left side are not nearly as clean as on the earlier MP5s from the mid 2010s.

Sadly, I haven’t shot it yet since I’m digging my .22 upper for my AR and even my 10/22 far more.

 

This is what I did with my 10/22 @bergunx

 

My M16A1 with a 22lr upper and auto sear trip will not reliably run with much more than 20 rounds in the magazine.

The rate of fire outruns the ability of the single position feed magazine to supply rounds quickly enough.
And that is with Black Dog Gen. 3 magazines, which in my experience, are the gold standard for the .22lr AR 15/M16.

Perhaps that is why HK .22lr conversion magazines are only 20 rounds in capacity💡

RCA

 

Didn't make the poll in time, but would have voted yes, people should have a choice. I guess not being as knowledgeable about firearms has some advantage.
Surprised by the comments about quality of the MP5 .22 but my only exposure to HK products is my sons P30. Excellent firearm, cost several hundred dollars more than my MP5 .22 pistol.

Mags were and still are difficult to obtain, so when the opportunity presented itself, I purchased mags first, then in August purchased the MP5. Within a month I had put 2,000 rounds thru the weapon. Federal from Walmart, several brands of CCI, Remington, Aguila, Browning Winchester, etc. Even some of the new personal defense rounds like the Federal Punch.
Only issues I had were about 5 FTE from some old Winchester that won't cycle thru my 10/22, SR22 or Buckmark
Right out of the box, with the iron sights the gun was right on at 25 yards, 50 yards was acceptable. Since the purchase I've added a cheap claw ($15) and a Romeo 5. Because of the Romeo's height didn't try to co-witness, the barrel sight is viewable under the Romeo.
My inventory includes Ruger, Browning, Beretta and Sig, and for the price the quality of the MP5 .22 seems so far acceptable.
It's just a dam fun gun to shoot , Everyone at the range asks if they can "pop" a few rounds.
Dreaming about owning the "real deal" but haven't convince myself to part with the 3K+ yet

Targetshooter

 

The tri lug on the .22lr can accept .45 adapters

 

They did make an A2 stock when Walther was making them. I found 2 of them so far. The last I had to pay way to much to get. I got one for both the rifle and the SBR pistol. The 22 mp5’s seem a little cheap but for the price they are reliable and fun. Would be nice if they did have a little more aftermarket support.

 

Front sight is a die cast part; i.e. metal. Probably ZAMAK. Will do a magnet test and see what it reads. Not sure about the trigger though. Since metal is a better conductor of heat, your lips are probably accurate. I will double check my trigger and see.

 

i would love to have a kitted mp5 that I could feed super cheap .22 ammo

 

OK, the advantage of a 22lr is that it is an inexpensive way to shoot: unless you have lots of money to spend.

That said, I would like to think that this isn't something that will end up in the dump sometime in the future because there aren't parts to repair them. And, so far, I've only heard bad things about the trigger pack/housing and would like to replace that with something heftier.

The magazines would be another tweak.

What surprises me is that there isn't a company out there willing to make these parts if the 22 clones are vaguely similar to each other.

 

FYI, an earlier 22LR version made by umarex had a metal trigger pack. This is a video of it being dissected:

 

I just wish they sold the A3 stock from the rifle “SD” version separately. I really want to pick up the pistol version and SBR it since I have a 22 suppressor. The fake SD rifle has no appeal to me because it can’t be run suppressed. The problem is there are no stocks for the pistol version. Aesthetics being what they are, I have no interest in a pic rail on the back with a pic rail stock. If it can’t look like a proper MP5 I’ll just keep using my M&P 15-22.