[bauerdb]

I was in your shoes and thought it was a great idea to scope a G3K. Original factory German barrel. Well it isn't a good idea. I needed 13 inches of stock to get the eye relief off the kahles. 13 inches is longer than the regular A2 and clubfoot. You would need MSG90 or PSG1. The 91 is a 2+ moa gun. The mount and scope are 1lb each. You won't be happy. The 91 is perfectly suited to a red dot.

 

[corporal jj]

Sweet setup . I must agree with this unless you have an SR9 with the special barrel, regular 91 G3 PTR are battle rifles not expected to have 1/2 MOA.

 

[Dandyifyado]

Hmm maybe picatinny rail to mount the scope more forward is the way…

 

[caflashbob]

Williams trigger service’s Brain mentioned every hk that they did a trigger job on and tested with good ammo shot MOA. Everyone

 

[bauerdb]

Williams trigger service’s Brain mentioned every hk that they did a trigger job on and tested with good ammo shot MOA. Everyone

This will need a lot of clarification. What William's trigger? What ammo? What firearm?

 

[corporal jj]

They were a great upgrade but, None of the 14 91’s I zeroed after Williams jobs did. They were a bit improved but not that much…

 

[Samuel_Hoggson]

My 1A A2 with 155 gr SMK Palmas. 100 yds.

First pic from last Friday: Second last Monday. SA ball ammo does around 2-3".

Replaced the Z24 with a SWFA 1-4 on a B&T. Reticle easier on these old eyes. Gosh-awful trigger tho. Bill Springfield trigger is inbound. Guess I'll find out.

 

[caflashbob]

This will need a lot of clarification. What William's trigger? What ammo? What firearm?

WTS is out of business. Bill Springfield is still on going’s at trigger specialities services(?)

91’s, g-3’s? This is a 30 year ago conversation.

Brian at WTS was a Denny’s assistant back then.

He was the one who suggested narrowing the front sight post by 1/3 as its width was to approximate a persons torso at 75 yards. I went 2/3rds narrower by EDM it.

He mentioned he tested all the complete rifles sitting cross legged with the/a sling wrapped around his forward arm.

he said he’s were not as accurate off bags or bipod. Not made for that use.
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Good m80 ball. Maybe that might be wrong. FGMM? I really do think he stated M80….

Don’t shoot the messenger. I am relaying a conversation from 30 years ago.

Yes the stock drop resistant 11-12 pound trigger is that bad for grouping

Narrower front sight post. Shooting not from bags or bipod.

Hk Virginia guys sent me to him. All their personal rifles had his trigger jobs back then…

remember G3Kurtz here, the hk rep, mentioned his G3K shot MOA with FGMM match ammo and a “good” trigger whatever that meant. 12.5“ barrel

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• caflashbob
• Feb 25, 2022

My 168 grain reloads 30 years ago

 

[dms16]

My 1A A2 with 155 gr SMK Palmas. 100 yds.

First pic from last Friday: Second last Monday. SA ball ammo does around 2-3".

Replaced the Z24 with a SWFA 1-4 on a B&T. Reticle easier on these old eyes. Gosh-awful trigger tho. Bill Springfield trigger is inbound. Guess I'll find out.

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These groups are very good and completely serviceable for anything practical.

 

[caflashbob]

The hk guys mentioned using a hk only claw mount and shimming the mounting pads claw areas even tighter.

I mounted a Spuhr cumberbund top rail then a ARMS #63 QD double locking lever mount to it and removed my FERO-z-24 from its hk claw and mounted it on the ARMS mount as it has STANAG holes in it and does have a tiny open hole in its design to barely allow iron sight use.

on my other optional scopes i used Weaver 6 point low mount scope rings. Two vortex vipers. One 5x25x50 pst ll and the other a 2.5x10x44 HS

all premounted on separate weaver/ARMS setups.

the Spuhr top rail and the ARMS #63 and the 6 point weavers are very solid together and appear to be very good at holding zero when removed and remounted. I did this versus Un mount the scopes from the rings to swap optics.

I also have a Vortex holo sight and their 6x magnifier that can be mounted as well as a vortex red dot.

the 30 year old group was with a shepherd 1” tube dual reticle scope on a slightly windy afternoon when the tight group guys had left the range already

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• caflashbob
• Mar 19, 2022

911 updated

 

[corporal jj]

Dang you’re making me nervous brother that bipod‘s just a little bit too close to the edge of that table😬

 

[caflashbob]

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• caflashbob
• Mar 9, 2022

911 with current mods

Dang you’re making me nervous brother that bipod‘s just a little bit too close to the edge of that table😬

good point. Atlas have hard rubber sticky feet std. optional spike or serrated circle feet

notice the skinny front sight post. Easy to do

 

[bauerdb]

My lightly modified HK91. It is actually a shooter.

 

[caflashbob]

My lightly modified HK91. It is actually a shooter.
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Nice shooter. I think it might benefit from the narrower front sight post? Past a certain distance the post is too wide in my experience

looked at those in 1990. No autos in Kalifornia unless i wanted to be in the serious gun biz. Then you had inspections. Pass. Too much muzzle climb in auto back then. But as a suppression weapon its the best. Rare closed bolt design.

 

[Conelrad]

If I've posted it once, I've posted it a hundred times.

Using an HK scope mount requires the use of a rare type scope, i. e. a scope with no more that 2 inches eye relief,
with your cheek forward just as what is used with a proper iron-sight picture.

It's important. The field of suitable optics is small, but they are still in production. Expensive production, almost exclusively German.

Schmidt & Bender P1 and P2 fill the bill. If other scope companies smarted up, there is a market for this type optic.

Conelrad

 

[Dandyifyado]

If I've posted it once, I've posted it a hundred times.

Using an HK scope mount requires the use of a rare type scope, i. e. a scope with no more that 2 inches eye relief,
with your cheek forward just as what is used with a proper iron-sight picture.

It's important. The field of suitable optics is small, but they are still in production. Expensive production, almost exclusively German.

Schmidt & Bender P1 and P2 fill the bill. If other scope companies smarted up, there is a market for this type optic.

Conelrad

Can you be more specific with that Schmidt and Bender scope model? The scopes I looked at their website were 90mm/ 3.5"

I haven't tried it out, but my hypothesis is that you can get around that eye relief by using a picatinny and mounting the scope more forward...

 

[caflashbob]

Can you be more specific with that Schmidt and Bender scope model? The scopes I looked at their website were 90mm/ 3.5"

I haven't tried it out, but my hypothesis is that you can get around that eye relief by using a picatinny and mounting the scope more forward...

Yes the use of the Spuhr stock and pitcanny top rail allows unlimited optic choices. Probably why Hakan made these parts

 

[Conelrad]

S&B P1 & P2 are two I know of.

 

[dms16]

S&B P1 & P2 are two I know of.

I think we’re a bit confused as to what you mean by "P1 and P2". @Dandyifyado is looking up contemporary specs on the current line.
"P1" is their designation for the long discontinued Bryant reticle
"PMII" is the designation for the Police/military line that followed the lesser-known PM line (only a handful of options).
Is this some sort of Stanag 4x variant?


I’m also confused about your assertion of a market for a 2” or less eye relief optic…that’s counter to what most want. And we always have the Acog for sucky eye relief.

 

[Conelrad]

I think we’re a bit confused as to what you mean by "P1 and P2". @Dandyifyado is looking up contemporary specs on the current line.
"P1" is their designation for the long discontinued Bryant reticle
"PMII" is the designation for the Police/military line that followed the lesser-known PM line (only a handful of options).
Is this some sort of Stanag 4x variant?


I’m also confused about your assertion of a market for a 2” or less eye relief optic…that’s counter to what most want. And we always have the Acog for sucky eye relief.

Sorry, PM2 is correct.

Case in point with what is happening with 'regular' scopes: "I can't get far enough back with my Vortex." Sure you can find enough pieces to rack the scope forward, but then dealing with the charging handle becomes a problem.

What 'most' want isn't a G3. It is unique in the rifle world, built around a system of accessories that came about before most G3 users were even born.

The baby 4X STANAG setup is fine, as it conforms to where the eye winds up when shooting. The current production shorty S&B scopes are high money.

A very good scope for a G3 was that used on the G3SG1 in the 30mm ringmount. Also known as the S&B "Sniper" 1.5-6X42, pictured below.

The PSG-1 used a similar variable scope, with threaded bosses affixed to the STANAG distance but the rifle had permanent mounts welded on.