This looks like an MKE serial number.

 

This looks like an MKE serial number.

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That’s it. It’s a Kale Kalip KGL40. A Turkish grenade launcher that they appear to have had made in 37mm for a signaling device, and marked with HK markings.

 

HK USA has confirmed that these are not HK products. Are not licensed HK products. Do not have anything to do with HK. None of these products should/can be sold with HK markings.

 

None of these products should/can be sold with HK markings.

And shouldn't be sold being marked and marketed with HK nomenclature.

It's not a M320-A5, there is no M320-A5, it's simply and truthfully a (cheap-ass turkish) KGL38.

Still nothing of that is mentioned in the GB ad, though.

Judging from what turkish shotguns cost compared to "Mossberg" branded turkish shotguns compared to US made shotguns I would be surprised if those KGL38 cost too far into the four digit space, if at all. So there is still a lot of cream and motivation in those 344.400$

 

The fact that they are representing these as manufactured by HK is making me frown.

 

Here is the entire original listing in case anyone is curious what was listed.

 

82 left..................My Nickel Opinion, these were headed to the "HK" lazer engraver before they got "caught/exposed"

 

Feel bad for whoever bought one already

 

The whole "Kale Kalip" catalogue is a pretty impressive lineup of stolen copied borrowed (purchased?) intellectual property.

I wonder how much is actually licensed (they seem to have a license for the AX50 for example, the AR/HK417 derivate that surfaced a couple of years ago likely isn't).

Kind of a "Who is Waldo" search game for grownups.

 

Given their track record, HK would NEVER make a civilian compliant grenade launcher.

HK is actually manufacturing several of their grenade launcher models in 37mm due to various reasons - civilian sales is not one of them.

I guarantee they’d give us an SP7 before that ever happens

That's not unlikely.

and we all know how that’s going

Well...

 

HK is actually manufacturing several of their grenade launcher models in 37mm due to various reasons - civilian sales is not one of them.



That's not unlikely.



Well...

Not doubting you but could you link me to an article, posting, or anything regarding HK's 37mm launchers? I'd like to learn more.

 

"A small collection of <grenade launchers>"
Seriously. What the heck, you guys?
Like, do you all lead some kind of Walter Mitty alternate life where your womenfolk just assume that you're at the golf course?

 

Lol …all you need to know sir is that “I am your best friend or your absolute worst enemy” 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

 

And this exemplifies and justifies my earlier comments regarding AU and why I wont buy from them. I made out on my first and only purchase from them, decided I'd never risk it again with how cagey their repricing is on items. This merely epitomizes it.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

In case anyone wants more details on their brand new Turkish 37mm signaling device.

 

What really boggles my mind is that they apparently forgot how knowledgeable and tight this interest group is. And that it is their main target audience.

 

They are not the only ones who forget the power/popularity and knowledge base of HK Pro members.😉

 

Same here. The only controversy in my recollection

As a non-American I do not have any dealings with AU one way or the other.

But selling short barrelled rifles as unrestricted pistols by misrepresenting them as pistols during the import process although they were fully aware that these have been manufactured as rifles seems a bit controversial to me. That bit them at a later date and now current owner are in limbo about the ATFs handling of this issue. As of now, they only approached dealers. But that doesn't mean that this won't change at any point in time.


You mention something about Colt lowers, somebody mentioned "SD Gate", then the MR223 import, now this misrepresentation of a tukish knockoff launcher as a genuine HK product. So I'd say from an observers standpoint that there isn't "only" a few issues here.

And then some users post such remarks:

all times the forum crybabies said it was not possible

...and in the end it turns out those "forum crybabies" were right.

We'll see who cries when that currently 18,000$ rifle that was originally sold for IIRC 6,000$ and was purchased by them in Germany for around 2,000-2,500€ and then misrepresented during importation is being collected by the bad and ugly gubinment. Surely the fault is then everywhere (HK for not making them as pistols, the German government for making .223 pistols illegal/restricted in Germany, the ATF not catching their misrepresentation early on, those who reported it, HK USA confirming the facts, the ATF for interfering and the ATF in general for existing) but with AU?

 

As a non-American I do not have any dealings with AU one way or the other.

But selling short barrelled rifles as unrestricted pistols by misrepresenting them as pistols during the import process although they were fully aware that these have been manufactured as rifles seems a bit controversial to me. That bit them at a later date and now current owner are in limbo about the ATFs handling of this issue. As of now, they only approached dealers. But that doesn't mean that this won't change at any point in time.


You mention something about Colt lowers, somebody mentioned "SD Gate", then the MR223 import, now this misrepresentation of a tukish knockoff launcher as a genuine HK product. So I'd say from an observers standpoint that there isn't "only" a few issues here.

And then some users post such remarks:



...and in the end it turns out those "forum crybabies" were right.

We'll see who cries when that currently 18,000$ rifle that was originally sold for IIRC 6,000$ and was purchased by them in Germany for around 2,000-2,500€ and then misrepresented during importation is being collected by the bad and ugly gubinment. Surely the fault is then everywhere (HK for not making them as pistols, the German government for making .223 pistols illegal/restricted in Germany, the ATF not catching their misrepresentation early on, those who reported it, HK USA confirming the facts, the ATF for interfering and the ATF in general for existing) but with AU?

While I agree with most of your points, just to clarify; AU did not import the original MR223's, HKI did that. AU was simply the distributer/retail seller.

 

$4200 for an MKE flare launcher is still.... meh.

 

Totally agree.

$4200 for a Turkish 37mm launcher, when you can buy a Brügger & Thomet 37mm launcher for $1500 from the same retailer? I mean that’s just laughable!

 

So let’s assume those 82 left a while ago were the total number (likely there were a bunch more, also likely a round number), that would have been a original total of 491.590$ of fraudulently HK-marked turkish 5.995$ launchers that were already marked down to a total 410.000$ of still-HK-marked 5.000$ still-turkish launchers, just to be called out on this after denying the fact in writing, only to sell 344.400$ of magically not-anymore-HK-marked-but-still-turkish 4.200$ launchers that somehow still are not called what they are but what they would/could/should have been called would they actually be HK-marked...

...stay tuned for the next chapter of this... ehm... unhinged story of... capitalism?

 

Glad I found this thread. I'm a huge sucker who falls for the "1 of X produced" far too often, and I had rose tinted glasses on so bad that I still have thorns in my eyes and I missed some of the glaring issues with this. Placed an order around an hour ago and have already requested a refund. I mean it would be cool to own, and the current price ($2900) is a lot better than the original 5-6k at the begining of the thread, but it was a panic buy that I really can't justify just to LARP around with. I also was unaware that there's no A5 version of the 320.

Very deceptive marketing currently, since the manufacturer is still not listed in the title, nor is clone mentioned. The description sounds like it's a genuine HK item with a limited run in 37mm, up until you get to the tiny part tucked away saying it's that KaleKallip, which is easy to miss when you are a buyer in full on FOMO mode.

My personal opinion is the previous listings they had were outright fraudulent, and they've done the bare minimum to create plausible deniability since they are still not being very forthright with what they are selling.


Edit* they cancelled my order. I mentioned the title should include clone or the actual MFG name and not have it hidden at the bottom of the description and they had the audacity to act like it's super obvious this isn't a real HK and that they don't mention HK anywhere in the listing (peep second sentence of the description). Not only that the "bottom" of the description is in the middle of a wall of text... it's the bare minimum transparency to have plausible deniability, but there's very little attempt to be upfront about what this item really is. Also, i brought up the nomenclature being that of HKs and with no clear MFG in the title, its suggestive of being HK, and they said the nomenclature is of CAPCO For the US military. The launchers the US army have are HK and are marked HK as far as I'm aware, from my sample size of one I've gotten to experience, so I dont find that comment convincing at all.

Disappointing experience since I've had decent interactions with them in the past.

 

Edit* they cancelled my order. I mentioned the title should include clone or the actual MFG name and not have it hidden at the bottom of the description and they had the audacity to act like it's super obvious this isn't a real HK and that they don't mention HK anywhere in the listing (peep second sentence of the description). Not only that the "bottom" of the description is in the middle of a wall of text... it's the bare minimum transparency to have plausible deniability, but there's very little attempt to be upfront about what this item really is. Also, i brought up the nomenclature being that of HKs and with no clear MFG in the title, its suggestive of being HK, and they said the nomenclature is of CAPCO For the US military. The launchers the US army have are HK and are marked HK as far as I'm aware, from my sample size of one I've gotten to experience, so I dont find that comment convincing at all.

HK made some of the launchers for the US Military, but the overwhelming majority are manufactured for the US Military under contract by Capco. M320 isn’t a Capco designation, rather a US Military designation for the GLM 40mmm HK launcher.

Regardless the Turkish 37mm signaling device that they refer to as an “A5” variant has nothing to do with the M320, Capco, or HK. It’s a poorly executed clone of questionable quality.

The fact that they originally attempted to pass these off as HK products shows their true intent.

 

Both the HK as well as the CAPCO M320 have a differently shaped right side reciever opening.
Both the HK as well as the CAPCO M320 have no visible trigger pins above the trigger.
Both the HK as well as the CAPCO M320 have a different grip design.

So it's likely not a civilian CAPCO production run as well (I would assume that they don't have the capability nor the need to do any further development for a product they have a as-is production contract for).

And if it would be the alledged "new" and recent "A5" iteration by HK (which would pose the question where the A3 and A4 iterations are?), then the Eagle-over-N proofmark would be a current CIP-N proofmark.

 

So it's likely not a civilian CAPCO production run as well (I would assume that they don't have the capability nor the need to do any further development for a product they have a as-is production contract for).

Hopefully I'm not hijacking the thread here. And, I believe @German doesn't reside in the states, but does anyone know if Capco has produced civilian M320's in the states? Gunbroker turns up nothing other than the GSG9 clone I already mentioned, and someone with a purported authentic HK M320 stock.

 

I am in for one of these, unfortunately I am out of town or I'd head over to their shop monday and see in person what the story is, but AU has proven they bring in legit H&K time after time, and most of the time they're the only guys accomplishing it. They wouldn't sell H&K marked product if it wasn't H&K

H&K MR223, Colt M4 Commando lowers, and Colt M203 37mm, all times the forum crybabies said it was not possible and all times AU delivered, whoever scored them has collector pieces that more than doubled in value in a very short time.

All respect to Tom but he is ultimately a cloner, he doesn't bring any real H&K product to market.

the AU haters always hate, yet half the time they can't afford the stuff and the other half they buy it but cry anyway

 

I am in for one of these, unfortunately I am out of town or I'd head over to their shop monday and see in person what the story is, but AU has proven they bring in legit H&K time after time, and most of the time they're the only guys accomplishing it. They wouldn't sell H&K marked product if it wasn't H&K

H&K MR223, Colt M4 Commando lowers, and Colt M203 37mm, all times the forum crybabies said it was not possible and all times AU delivered, whoever scored them has collector pieces that more than doubled in value in a very short time.

All respect to Tom but he is ultimately a cloner, he doesn't bring any real H&K product to market.

the AU haters always hate, yet half the time they can't afford the stuff and the other half they buy it but cry anyway

It's always interesting to see the AU apologists react to this forum's feedback. This entire discussion has been on-topic, objective and factual. No one is "crying". No one questioned AU's past accomplishments. No one questioned AU's bold moves of bringing things to market that others haven't/couldn't. No one is "hating" on AU. People are asking legitimate questions about a product that even AU responded to by removing from their site. The only "hate" I see is you calling people "crybabies" and poor.

 

I contacted them today about it. I am impressed by their quick response on a Sunday. Kudos to them.

They are saying it’s an official HK product. I’ll be buying one!

 

This feels like SD Gate 2.0.
“Oops we didn’t mean to show that.”
That’s the static reply when they get called on something.

 

For $5k I hope those who buy this launcher at least get some free kebab with their poorly executed Turkish M320 forgery.

 

I think the biggest red flag is that it’s not a 40mm launcher, it’s a 37mm. Given their track record, HK would NEVER make a civilian compliant grenade launcher. I guarantee they’d give us an SP7 before that ever happens, and we all know how that’s going

 

I wouldn't mind if they just brought in Turkish launchers advertised as such, and had a source for 40mm conversions. The 40mm market could use a few more options besides the sparse releases of LMT M203 receivers.

 

[Moderator edit]
I'm definitely interested in one of these, but at this price it would need to be genuine HK. Even if it were authentically licensed HK, I think their description is misleading. I would still be interested even if this information was disclosed, but not at the $5k price. A GSG9 clone went for ~$2300 a few weeks back (https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1015042297), and I thought that was high. Admittedly though, I don't know much about the collectibility of GSG9 stuff, but it's all cool to me nonetheless.

On a side note, I'm very interested in 37mm and 40mm stuff, so If anyone's looking to offload some things then feel free to hit me up.

 

It's baaaaaaack! Minus HK markings and the nonsense. The info still seems dubious on them.

M320-A5 Enhanced 37mm Grenade Launcher Module

The M320-A5 Enhanced 37mm flare launcher module is a stand alone and rail mounted launcher designed for military and law enforcement application; to be used in conjunction with the use of less lethal ammunition. Similar to H&K's GLM but enhanced with upgraded features; there is no special...

armsunlimited.com

 

Screenshots of the new listing for posterity sake